Reprimands

Piston_Broke · February 2014

Why are so many riders getting reprimands? No one takes any notice of a reprimand, give a rider time + a fine, hit them in the kick, it hurts. Instead of a reprimand fine them their days riding fees + %'s. Then they will learn to go straight or ride them out

SLIPPERGOLDEN · February 2014

Yep might as well be giving them a tickle.

Radman · February 2014

Agreed!

thefalcon · February 2014

the jockeys assn would be up in arms..threats of strikes etc...

therealkramer · February 2014

the falcon said:
the jockeys assn would be up in arms..threats of strikes etc...

Just like when they complain there's too much racing =))

BobbyDavis · February 2014

WA is so unlike NSW and VIC racing in this regard (amongst others!). In these other jurisdictions there would be numerous suspensions and fines dished out to what happens here in almost every meeting.

The stewards here need to really start getting tough on all sorts of what goes on here. Once they do things will take care of themselves largely. Like Piston Broke says If you hit em where it hurts things will change.
The stewards job will be made so much easier once they are feared by the people they are supposed to be policing- rather than telling them to be more careful.

RIO · February 2014

Maybe the new Deputy Chief Steward, will breath a bit of fire into the conversation. Although an opinion on another thread suggests that he may want to work with them rather than change them....he is held with a great deal of respect in the rider & trainer ranks..

Thoroly_Bread · February 2014

They are probably all out having a beer now RIO what a joke!

thefalcon · February 2014

just look at the way NSW and Vic stewards dish out penalties. oliver just copped one, schofield in sydney.

here..a slap on the wrist....

X(

thefalcon · February 2014

don't forget this messiah to the panel has been a steward here for 6 years.

what has he done in that time? do not forget he is only the deputy..has he flexed his muscle in the 6 years?

don't think so...i've never seen his name in print...except in the racebook.

thefalcon · February 2014

a deputy indeed, piston.

Darkhorse · February 2014

I have thought that the introduction of demerit points to jockeys would be an alternate way of flexing a bit of muscle and providing a greater incentive to adhere to the rules of racing.

As it stands paltry fines and reprimands are dealt out each week, and does not seem to have any effect on serial offenders.

Whereas if demerit points were issued then the (fine ) could be, relegated to the country circuit for 50 or so unblemished rides then you are allowed back to race in the city.

This would still keep jockey riding and earning a living ,and maybe increasing the available riders for country meetings.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · February 2014

Double demerit points long weekends, Easter and Christmas breaks?

Piston_Broke · February 2014

Hong Kong have a system of some sort, if a repeat defender your penalty is longer. Works fine in Hk as each race day is alike a Gr 1 day in Aust.

The jocks only get fined here for dropping the hands or excessive use of the whip.

Demerit points I couldn't see working, too confusing for the people in charge. Only 1 solution ....Get Very tough on any form of interference. Suspensions. Olie got time in Melb on the weekend on Fiorente and he only moved in slightly right on the line. BANG suspended.

Some of the warnings from 1 race day

1) was cautioned and told to afford runners to his inside more racing room in future otherwise further action may be taken against him.

2) he was advised to allow runners to his inside more room. (This horse the jockey rode got galloped on and is now in the paddock)

3) was reprimanded for careless riding under ARR.137(a) for allowing his mount to

shift outwards making contact and was told that a repetition of such riding may

result in further action being taken against him.

4) reprimanded under ARR.137(a) for careless riding for allowing her mount to cross when not fully clear and making an insufficient effort to allow the mare to stride forward after taking the lead.

5) Stewards believed she had erred by steadying her

mount when leading and in similar circumstances she should allow it to stride forward and hold

this position after having established it.

All warnings

Piston_Broke · February 2014

RIO said:
Maybe the new Deputy Chief Steward, will breath a bit of fire into the conversation. Although an opinion on another thread suggests that he may want to work with them rather than change them....he is held with a great deal of respect in the rider & trainer ranks..

he is?

I know he is well liked but there is a difference

Voodoo · February 2014

I dont think being "well liked"should be part of the job description....

cheers

SLIPPERGOLDEN · February 2014

Only if he is on Facebook

altern8vu · February 2014

hi guys i think i need to clarify a few things ,rio to the best of my knowledge HTis a very approachable person & the fact he comes from a riders side of the fence his knowledge of being able to READ a race & judge what realygoes on out on the track , makes him agood choice, i quiet frankly AGREE that there are TO many WARNINGS handed out ,& that with the full knowledge that SDM copped one the other day. i might add his FIRST one in i think about 12 mths or more ,& again here in lyes part of the probl, if you read the stipes reports as i do the magority of OFFENDERS who keep getting the warnnings are the APPRS .i will stand to be corrected , but the amount of times some of these KIDS get reprimanded is really unacceptable , sdm copped a14 day stint afew weeks back & prior to that had over 600 odd rides & got 14 days straight up no prior reps/cautions yet inthe same time the amount of reps/cautions/warnings handed to afew of the apprs were quiet plentifull. the same happens to a few of the senior riders quiet often. but i do agree the stipes need to be a lot more consistent &firmer with alot of the interferance here. cheers

Thoroly_Bread · February 2014

That is really hard to read with all the capitals and abbreviations.

Anyway from what I can gather you are saying that stewards are too soft on apprentices and to tough on senior jocks?

I couldn't care less if Mr Taylor is approachable or not I don't want to have a beer with him, I want him to police racing, and what does approachable mean?

Thumper · February 2014

"his knowledge of being able to READ a race & judge what realygoes on out on the track , makes him agood choice"

If that is true then they must have had him on mute the entie time he has been on the panel

RIO · February 2014

altern8vu said:
,rio to the best of my knowledge HTis a very approachable person & the fact he comes from a riders side of the fence his knowledge of being able to READ a race & judge what realygoes on out on the track , makes him agood choice,

i hope this contributes to him being a good DC Steward, for that part of his role...i've had contact with HT several times and as neither a jockey or a trainer - i have doubts that he was suitable for a senior role....But lets see how he goes...if he wants the job, he may be the ideal person for it

altern8vu · February 2014

sorry about that TB.. but where the APPRS are concerned dead right, the seniors no i don!t think they are. my point is that HT has that exspirence of been out there . apart from DM who has been an ex rider also i don!t think any of the other stipes have quiet got a handle on understanding how to exactly read what happens out on the track. one of the probs is that in most incedents it all comes down to , IN THERE OPINION . i also agree with PB /BD& FALC our blokes here could learn a hell of alot from nsw&vic , one of the reasons sdm has a pretty good riding slate . & thump i would rather go before a stipe who was able to read the play of a race when pleading my case than someone who just thinks something happened or thinks in there opinion something happened . just have a look at some results ove the last 12 mths or so.& rio i hope the same as you that he does step up to the plate , because there does need to be some change. cheers

thefalcon · February 2014

sadly he will or will become a "yes man" like most at pr/rwwa.

has he ever said.."hey brad, i think......" no, i don't think so.

i'm not knocking the guy but he does not want to be "liked and respected" he should be the feared bogey man....fair but harsh.

what chance has he got? pharqueing buckleys.

this is what you get when there is no new blood ANYWHERE in pr/rwwa.

BobbyDavis · March 2014

Tipping Ryan Hill will think twice about knocking them down after missing his biggest win ever yesterday thru suspension.

Proof that throwing the book at riders when they err can ultimately cost them, therefore it can be a deterrent. As opposed to threatening to throw the book at them with reprimands.

PuntingTragic · March 2014

Just tell then they can't watch small people big world on foxtel for 6 months if they infringe

We would have the cleanest racing in Australia they would be mortified

trojanhorse · March 2014

Altern8vu ..your typing of posts makes mine look much better.

And from all the posts you do it is obvious you are with the stewards and rwwa.... To much biased and defensive.

RIO · March 2014

trojanhorse said:
Altern8vu ..your typing of posts makes mine look much better.

And from all the posts you do it is obvious you are with the stewards and rwwa.... To much biased and defensive.

may be a father?????

altern8vu · March 2014

hi rio no bias just an altern8vu , as for stewards definately not on there side i just beleive some in there ranks are trying to make changes. & rwwa dont get me started that place needs a boody BIG broom through it starting with the CHIEF HANDICAPPER & aFEW OTHERS , defensive not really just have altern8vu to some comments made by posters who do,nt know all the facts, & yes if you were,nt aware SDM is my son but thats ok ,i,am just as critical of him when i beleive hes made a cockup on some of his rides, & that ok , as for my posting i were,nt aware that perfect posting was a precurser to being on this site :)) ;) lol come in MAILMAN lol cheers

Piston_Broke · March 2014

Bobby Davis said:
Tipping Ryan Hill will think twice about knocking them down after missing his biggest win ever yesterday thru suspension.
Proof that throwing the book at riders when they err can ultimately cost them, therefore it can be a deterrent. As opposed to threatening to throw the book at them with reprimands.

wouldn't have won if he rode it

trojanhorse · March 2014

Thank you for that altern8vu.........I am now understanding the name.....I was not mean to be cruel about your English writing.

dungy · April 2014

I see D Staek has had a wrong reading on a urine sample :) the boy doesn't like to party they tell me

G'day Punter!

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