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Hall gets three months

West Australian Racing
PerthTurfTalkPerthTurfTalk    3,054 posts
edited September 2012 West Australian Racing


RWWA Stewards today concluded the adjourned Inquiry into Jockey P. Hall’s riding of YSMAEL in the straight at Belmont on Wednesday, 5 September 2012 in Race 7 the Corporate Bruce Handicap run over 1300m.

Evidence was taken from Jockey P. Hall, Licensed Trainer of YSMAEL Mr B. Watkins and Managing Part Owner Mr P. Belcastro.

Jockey Hall was found guilty to a charge under ARR.135(b) for failing to ride YSMAEL with sufficient vigour, purpose and urgency over the final 300m of the above race where in the opinion of the Stewards it was reasonable and permissible to do so to ensure that his mount was given full opportunity to win.

Jockey Hall subsequently was suspended from riding in races for a period of three (3) months effective immediately and to expire at midnight on 10 December 2012.

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  • MeatheadMeathead    130 posts
    Three months makes no sense.

    They either let him off or rub him out for a long time. Three months doesn't send the right message.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    edited September 2012
    Agree totally Meathead..if he was guilty as charged he should have been out for a long, long time...because not riding the mount out when in the clear smells like race fixing to me, and to be able to come back so quickly from that is not what our industry needs at the moment....Or he isn't guilty and carry on...but i'd suspect that the horse went straight to the chiropractor after that display of riding in the straight..

    Having said the above, i will say the stewards are aware of that scrutiny as well and you can only surmise that they couldn't find a link to him getting a financial benefit from what happened....in which case 3 months for a bad ride could be seen as a bit tough?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    Where do you find the stewards report??? I just went onto RWWA site where they usually are) and couldn't find it anywhere??
  • GoddGodd    203 posts
    edited September 2012
    Was he guilty?
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    The above is directly from the stewards.

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  • GoddGodd    203 posts
    Did any1 else see his ride on classy Dubai?
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Gone and watched the last 3 or 4 runs and i reckon it looked very similar..the horse seems to have a real problem of going straight..once it goes straight it is fine, but he has to hold with one hand and whip with the other to encourage the damn thing to go in a straight line.. I  reckon if he didn't ride it like that it'd nearly jump the outside fence... But that's just my opinion....

    In the last race it didn't appear to straighten up like it did in the race before, so therefore it didn't let down over the last 50m...

    A lot different to the Ysmael ride



  • MeatheadMeathead    130 posts
    I did Godd as I was on it. I agree I thought he lacked his usual vigour but after the Ysmael incident we are looking for those type of things.

    I don't think there were any irregular betting movements in it though and it doesn't look too bad in the replay
  • GoddGodd    203 posts
    The winner of the race was backed in fairly heavy... And he never rode it out.. Looked a bit suss...
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    The stewards are looking after the punter for once just couldnt work out why the start before he gave it to Ysmael but last Wednesday never gave a tap mmmm
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,456 posts
    Hall got 3 months... based on that another jockey still riding should have got 3 years..... still remains one of the biggest disgraces in recent WA racing history for me.
  • NgawyniNgawyni    786 posts
    Meathead said:

    Three months makes no sense.

    They either let him off or rub him out for a long time. Three months doesn't send the right message.



    Hall was charged under ARR 135 (b) not 135 (a). The 2 rules are as follows:

    ARR 135 (a) Every horse shall be run on its merits.

    (b) The rider of every horse shall take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure that his horse is given full opportunity to win or to obtain the best possible place in the field.

    The difference between (a) and (b) was explained by the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal in the Bobby El-Issa case:

    "[47] The alternate charge [i.e. 135(b)] to this that every rider shall give his horse all reasonable and permissible measures to insure the horse is given full opportunity to win or obtain the best possible place in the field. This does not necessarily involve a deliberate or conscious act or moral turpitude on the part of the jockey. It means that a rider did not, perhaps, take an opportunity that was open to the rider or perhaps would have taken some other measure to give the horse the best opportunity in the field, for example, the rider in considering a number of options may have chosen the wrong option."

    The Tribunal in that case also noted:

    "[69] . . . Comparable case indicate that a breach of ARR 135(b) attracts a penalty of up to about 6 months depending on the circumstances. As this is a lesser charge not involving a deliberate and conscious act, a breach of ARR 135(a) is obviously more serious."

    In this case Hall rode Ysmael perfectly until the last 100 or so metres when he should have used the whip. Hall moved Ysmael off the rail at the 600m and brought him into the race on the corner. That's why he was charged under ARR 135(b) and why he only got 3 months i.e. the stewards appear to have considered it was an error of judgment and not a deliberate and conscious act - which would have warranted him being charged under ARR 135(a).

    This case does bear some similarities to the El-Issa case because El-Issa also rode the perfect race until the 200m after which he failed to use enough vigour. However there were other factors in that case which led the stewards to charge El-Issa under ARR 135(a) and which resulted in him getting 18 months.

    For those interested the El-Issa decision can be found here:

    http://letsgohorseracing.com.au/oz-a-os-news/qld-a-rest/1660-transcript-of-qcat-decision-in-el-issa-appeal-with-evidence-from-some-high-profile-identities

     

  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,991 posts

    No mention on Perth Racing re this matter, but for those starved of anything to read and believe, there is a lovely piece on seldom spoken about Stallion Trade Fair, under the banner "The Winners Keep Coming". Now hailed by the impartial WATC as 'WA's best value sire".

     

    What a joke

     

     

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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts

    Daniel Staeck got a similar sentence for same thing on Siesta Bay (and also Dexian). No allegation or substantiation of any betting misdeeds, just a (in opinion of stewards) blatant error of judgement that cost said horses the race.

     

    So right or wrong, the precedent is there for a 'middling' sentence.

  • VoodooVoodoo    1,374 posts

    Obviously Watkins is of the opinion the stewards have got it wrong....surely if he believed Hally was guilty ( as the stewards have found ) you would have to think P Hall would never throw another leg over a Watkins trained galloper !!!!!!!

    Maybe not......

    cheers

  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    matty cahill has been rubbed out for 12 months for a similar offence... havent seen p.hall's ride in question on Ysmael but i can assure you cahill's ride on Astronomer is a heck of alot worse! looks disgusting and how on earth he thought he wouldnt be found out is beyond me.. throw the book at these frikkin cheats! doing nothing but giving this sport an even worse name and rep that what it already has

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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Well put Hashy old son greed mate thats what its all about with the midget brigade !!! 
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts

    you'd think cahill and hall would have more sense..they are experienced riders.

    hall all will have terrible weight problems.with 6 mths off. we all know he enjoys a bevvie or 2...

    @-)

    a "good" jock can hook them and nobody is the wiser.

  • BroomeCup4EverBroomeCup4Ever    341 posts
    Haven't seen the replay but he should have got at least 6 months for his ride in the Hedland Cup.
  • snipersniper    236 posts
    3 months won't kill him, he did do 10 years and made a successful comeback!
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    He didnt do 10, 
    Cahills was a disgrace, the worst I have seen sim J Cassidy on Cruising, Cahill should have got life, 

    What hurts Hall is the difference between his quiet ride and his not so quiet ride.

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  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts

    Haven't seen the replay but he should have got at least 6 months for his ride in the Hedland Cup.


    Couldn't agree more, that was disgusting
  • obrienrbobrienrb    630 posts
    Perhaps his career is coming to an end and he's trying to make some quick corrupt cash???
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,456 posts


    Cahills was a disgrace, the worst I have seen sim J Cassidy on Cruising, Cahill should have got life, 

    Agree he should have got life. Can't believe he got only 12 months for one of the most obvious acts of cheating ever seen on a racecourse.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts

    any chance of a video of cahills ride?

    be interesting to see.

    diva??

  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    ive watched it......was pretty ordinary. Sorry tho, because it was at goulburn, its not on the bigpond freebie replays. You have to go to Victab to see that one.
  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts
    How long did that jock in Brisbane get for pinching the apprentices whip..... Can't quite remember his name, but that had nothin' on some of hall's tactics over the years... On memory I think it was 12 months
  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts
    I Think it was shane scriven
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    correct magoo, was scrivo, race at ipswich last year
  • hashhash    7,495 posts

    any chance of a video of cahills ride?


    he's pulled the horse up basically the whole way up the straight.. had it reefing and tearing against while he's sitting up on it trying to restrain it, unbelievable stuff
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Yeah Hally only pulled it's head sideways slightly and didn't ride it like he usually does..Surely there is a money trail somewhere!!! or do we have as many dodgy bookies as we do dodgy jocks and others???

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