Bar Plates?

rooboy · June 2013

Bar plates is the most important gear change on a horse before you start punting.If a horse has bar plates on, you are backing horses with bad feet.Stats show that this month 4 winners from 40 starters with bar plates on all country and Perth meetings this month.All 4 winners were 3/1 favs.5 of the other 15 runners under 12/1 have been placed.Let's see how horse's,today,go with bar plates on at Carnarvon. RC2-No3,RC4-No2,RC5-No2,RC6-No1.Interesting to see in the last race at Carnarvon, Twin City Soldier has the bar plates off.Usually a good sign that it's feet are better!

Indy · June 2013

Appreciate the info Rooboy !

I can honestly say, I have never really looked at bar plates as an important gear change.

What you say makes perfect sense, and the stats back this up.

I will follow with interest.

rooboy · June 2013

Sorry Indy,I told you a lie.Twin City Soldier has bar plates on for the first time.I will now stay clear of it!!

Indy · June 2013

Thanks for the update

raconteur · June 2013

Rooboy " Stats show that this month 4 winners from 40 starters with bar plates on all country and Perth meetings this month.All 4 winners were 3/1 favs.5 of the other 15 runners under 12/1 have been placed."

if you are saying "

so far this month there have been 4 race winners from 40 starters in the State with bar shoes and of the balance of 40 starters - 15 have been under 12/1 - with 5 of these having been also placed.....that is 9 win/placed from 40 - @ 22.5%

that flies in the face of your theory ...or are you a farrier with a heap of heart bar shoes for sale ?

RIO · June 2013

i always see the bar shoes on as a trainer looking after his stock and identifying a problem...I'm sure there are heaps of horses running around with feet problems that aren't clearly identified and definitely not being treated.

having bar shoes on has never stopped me backing a horse..maybe cos we have had good performances and Saturday winners with them..but each to there own..Will be interesting to see how it unfolds at Carnarvon.

Does it make a difference if it is a Bletchley Park???? haha

rooboy · June 2013

So,raconteur, you are saying having bar plates is a must for horses.Maybe you do a bit more research Aust wide and talk to trainers and owners.I am not by any means saying other punters stay away from horses with BP,that's up to them.I am only saying they have bad feet and when they come off,you know you can back them with more confidence.Look at RC2 at Carnarvon,the winner had bar plates on,good luck who backed it,but i am staying away from it.If you think that % rate is good,you better keep backing those horses with BP on!

Tucool · June 2013

A bar shoe on any leg is a sign of a big problem and doesn't inform you of what the complaint is..... a bar shoe

is just a tool to give the horse relief from pain by stopping the hoof from flexing as much. The real trick is finding out what is the cause of the pain in the first place,eg bruise,laminitis,etc.

AndrewCarter · June 2013

Bar plates going on 9 out of 10 times is not a good sign, however some smart trainers use this when they've already been wearing them and not previously notified stewards in order to get a better price about their horse, I personally know of several instances over the past few years when this has occurred here, so it's not always cut and dried but more often than not bar plates on is a significant concern.
A classic example was Dominating yesterday as soon as the fields came out I thought it had a mortgage on that race until I noticed it had bar plates on for the first time when I looked at the gear changes on Thursday, after that I had no interest in being on it and it ran well below its performance at its previous start.

motivated · June 2013

In my experience Bar Plates are of huge concern, as horses with foot problems or soreness in the feet, do not usually run through that pain under race day pressure. Usually it's a very bad sign!

Rex · June 2013

Bar plates are also used for horses with long pasterns that tend to get down on thier bumpers. It alters the angle that the hoof makes contact with the ground and tends to help. A horse won't try an inch if the touch their bumpers.

I personaly don't like them as I feel that a horse with bar shoes on seem to look scratchy because when the foot hits the ground the bar acts as a brake and puts extra pressure on the joints but in saying that some horses do need them to stand them upright.

Some farriers take off heel and tend to leave the toe long which doesn't help in my opinion. I have found that they go better with short toe and as much heel as possible. A few people will disagree with me but that is how I have found best results in my experiance.

SPUDLEY · June 2013

Bar plates should be banned and the horse spelled until the problem has been fixed they are just an excuse to keep owners paying up.

trooper · June 2013

belmont race 4 dominating

$1.60 started at with bar plates on.

just incredible.

raconteur · June 2013

Rooboy ...now i understand your stance - your post was unclear as to which way you thought - GOOD or BAD .

PS no study needed from this end. & Carnarvon yeilded 1xwin,1 x2nd, 1 x 3rd from four bar shoe horses..

SPUDLEY - that is simply a very silly statement - like many corrective plates - bar plates perform a very important role in keeping some horses racing. One Bunbury Stakes winner raced with shoes on backwards

AndrewCarter · June 2013

Yeah it was a layers dream if you're that way inclined I didn't have any money in my betfair account, only in my 365 account and I'm not normally a layer but on this occasion I would have really got stuck into it.

I was still trying to recover from Operational the third leg of my treble getting beaten, fortunately Classique ivory got me back in the ball game and the belmont guineas was a very good result it would have even better if purple tiger had snatched third as had the tri anyway or alternatively if Northpace had won as I only had Summah's Touch and Northpace to win in the tri and backed them both for nice results.

rooboy · June 2013

Raconteur, it is only a tool I use like blinkers going on for the first time or off for the first time. Metal Spider winning RC2 at Carnarvon deserved the win, as it could of had 4 bar plates on it and my wife riding it! As I am a tri player, i never discount them for my placing, if they have form. Like Trooper said, dominating $1.60 FAV, i stayed clear of it,2 weeks ago it was a star with no BP on. N. Parnham gets on radio and says watch for a big improvement from God Has Spoken and liked the work of Play'in God. Get serious Nev, what about telling everyone that your horse PG has feet problems and you put BP on at 6/1 running 10th.GHS has always had feet problems running with BP on at 60/1 running 12th.Thank God (pardon the pun)that you must have very wealthy owners to keep them running! Sometimes I just shake my head!! : :-O

Raff_2000 · June 2013

RIO said:
i always see the bar shoes on as a trainer looking after his stock and identifying a problem...I'm sure there are heaps of horses running around with feet problems that aren't clearly identified and definitely not being treated.

having bar shoes on has never stopped me backing a horse..maybe cos we have had good performances and Saturday winners with them..but each to there own..Will be interesting to see how it unfolds at Carnarvon.

Does it make a difference if it is a Bletchley Park???? haha

I agree Rio. At least you know up front 95% of the time that a Horse with Bar shoes on may have a niggling issue but the Trainer is obviously aware of it and trying to do something about it. And if the trainer thought that the niggle was enough to effect the Horse too much even with a bar shoe on then I would have thought they would be wasting their time starting the Horse in a race. It's like AFL footballers to a degree. If there is any element of doubt over their fitness then they generally don t play.

jonesee · June 2013

Andrew Carter said:
Bar plates going on 9 out of 10 times is not a good sign, however some smart trainers use this when they've already been wearing them and not previously notified stewards in order to get a better price about their horse, I personally know of several instances over the past few years when this has occurred here, so it's not always cut and dried but more often than not bar plates on is a significant concern.
A classic example was Dominating yesterday as soon as the fields came out I thought it had a mortgage on that race until I noticed it had bar plates on for the first time when I looked at the gear changes on Thursday, after that I had no interest in being on it and it ran well below its performance at its previous start.

The first paragraph here is key.

rooboy · June 2013

Warning! Horses with bar plates on. Belmont 26/6/2013.

RC2-No9 1st time with BP on.

RC3-No 2 and 4

RC4-No 2 1st time with BP on.

RC6-No 3 and13

RC8-No 5,8 and9

Will be interesting to see how RC6-No6, RC7-No5, and RC8-No14 go after bar plates coming off!

RIO · June 2013

good little update you got goign here rooboy..and i do agree it is interesting...Would be more interesting to see if this tool is used by all trainers or only a few...

raconteur · June 2013

Rooboy - you have to help us !!!!

R2 8th/9

R3 11 &9th of 12

R4 9th /13

R6 2nd ,13th , 6th of 14

R7 6th /15

R8 5th, 9th ,14th , 3rd of 16

Does any of that PROVE or DISPROVE your theory related to BAR SHOES - "Bar plates is (sic) the most important gear change on a horse"

Is it GOOD OR BAD -tell us how to work it out !!!

rooboy · June 2013

Lets see how the horses with bar plates went today!
RC2-No9 - 50/1 - 8 lgths away- finished 8th
RC3-No4 - 15/1 - 6 lgths away- finished 9th- was a last start winner,less weight,same class,better draw.
                       What went wrong? Ahh maybe there was a late gear change with bar plates going on!
       No2 - 15/1 - 8 lgths away- finished 11th- Has good first up form.Maybe the dist was the problem?
RC4-No2 - 30/1 - 3 lgths away-finished 9th.
RC6-No2 - 12/1 - .3 lgths away- finished 2nd- Very unlucky to get beaten by an 8 starter maiden.Get on when they come off!
       No13 - 26/1 - 9 lgths away.
RC8-No5 - 40/1 - .75 lgths away.Finished 5th. Good run.
       No8 - 7/1 - 2.5 lgths away. Finished 9th.
       No9 - 11/1 - 4 lgths away.Finished 14th.
Horses with bar plates OFF first time!
RC6-No6 - 8/1 -1 lgth away. Finished 4th.Good run from out there.Not good enough.
RC7-No5 - 11/1 - 2.75 lgths away.Even run,but improved from last run!
RC8-No14 - 20/1 - .35 lgths away.Excellent run, and nearly knocked the hot pot's!!!!!.

rooboy · June 2013

Tell me Raconteur,what is the percentage rate?

rooboy · June 2013

Here's another one Raconteur,to wrap your head around. In RC8 no2 Cavallino at Northam. This horse should be 50/1 tomorrow after it's last 2 run's back from a spell. 19th/6 it ran last, nearly 11 lgths away, after drawing wide and the Pontif sit's it out there 4 and 5 wide the whole trip with the horse not settling. 5th/6 it run's last again with a young apprentice aboard R.Bennett on. That day the horse was ripping it's head off and the trainer advises the stewards that on it's return it had coughed on a number of occasion's(hope it was not an eorr eorr noise) and had a respiratory infection.Well tomorrow Rac, Cavallino has a tongue tie and nasel strip on for the 1st time. The tongue tie is on so the horse will not choke down or swallow it's tongue or playing with it's tongue in the run, which can take it's concentration away from racing.The nasel strip sounds good! Dunno mate,maybe it is so it can breathe easier? Not saying it is going to win,but,i would expect a better run from it from barrier 1, with the fav's drawn wide in a shit race. PS, NO HORSES RUNNING TOMORROW WITH BAR PLATES! Good luck.

raconteur · June 2013

% rate of what?

nothing can be drawn from these results - no proof to any supposed theory.

The application of bar plates has a proper place - but to suggest it creates base for a puibnting selection criteria is simply, silly .

Brubaker · July 2013

rooboy said:
So,raconteur, you are saying having bar plates is a must for horses.Maybe you do a bit more research Aust wide and talk to trainers and owners.I am not by any means saying other punters stay away from horses with BP,that's up to them.I am only saying they have bad feet and when they come off,you know you can back them with more confidence.Look at RC2 at Carnarvon,the winner had bar plates on,good luck who backed it,but i am staying away from it.If you think that % rate is good,you better keep backing those horses with BP on!

Horses in Carnarvon can develop a hoof condition that is prevalent but not isolated to there. They go lame as a cat and cannot race without bar shoes. As for other areas, yes if they have bars on there is usually a problem.

robs777 · July 2013

keep backing horses with bar plates or bar shoes you will go broke

rooboy · July 2013

Robs777,don't tell raconteur that, as he has a mind set on any one who want's to help us punter's. A very good website to go to is justracing.com.au . A guy called Phil Purser owns this website and has 40 years of Knowledge that is very interesting reading. He calls a spade a spade,and knocks horses that are favs or in the market, because of different issues,like, bar plates, 21 days between runs, gutbusters( i wonder if that happened to Pinici,AC) or cant run a last 600 sectional. His article on the 2nd/7/2013 was very interesting.

Jordan · July 2013

Mossnip won today with bar plates on

Forelock · July 2013

:O

rooboy · July 2013

Well done Jordan,now you can tell me when the last horse won before Mossnip? Ahh, I will save you some time. 23rd/6/2013 at Carnarvon by a horse called Metal Spider. There have been a lot of horses with BP on between these dates! :-\"

G'day Punter!

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