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Pinjarra 6th Jan - Mandurah Cup Day

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    edited January 2013
    we will have to see what 'integrity' has to say in their report.

    how late it was i am not sure, but it was VERY late.


  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    Andrew and Raconteur making sense govt department with no accountability
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,488 posts
    do our eastern state counterparts endure a quasi govt. body like rwwa.?
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited January 2013
    I don't know about the jockey change, when I looked on ozbet I think about 30 - 60 minutes prior to the race it was whiting on that horse and not Yuill perhaps the wrong info went out on course or on air as I didn't hear any announcement in regard to that.
    I do know that sky had the wrong jockey listed when the the race finished.

    The plunge was I think because of the combination of the change of trainer, a significant improvement and coming off the back of a handy trial with Military Secret running a huge race on Saturday at Ascot and the lack of depth in the field.

    I must admit I thought it would be hard to beat but missed the price and wasn't going to take that price from that alley as was having a good day and had no need to take the shorts about a horse like that.

    If you're going to bet from the outside or near the outside gate you would much rather have Whiting on than Yuill, that's a no brainer but then again I am unaware of the circumstances that some on here are referring to other than what I saw for myself and ozbet definitely had Whiting down as the rider for comfysofa I estimate somewhere between around an hour to half an hour prior to the event.
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Gee the stewards report is slow in being published. I wonder why?......
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    at least it has ben reported online in the west..and it appears as though there is a fall guy as well

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/racing/15778291/punters-put-out-by-error-of-judgement/
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    "RWWA chief handicapper David Hunter was the judge on duty and said it was his first error in 12 years."

    =)) =)) =))
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Its a disgrace pure and simple and these are the blokes that keep racing on the right path :(
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Does it explain why he can't tell the difference between a grey mare's and bay or brown filly's respective heads???
  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    “The result was corrected but the rules are clear that the dividends can not be changed after correct weight.”

    What was the point of this statement?

    Everyone is aware of the rule, its about RWWA taking responsibility for the error and wearing a loss instead of the punter.

    Instead they choose to hide behind the rule, and treat punters with disdain.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited January 2013
    Oh, ok it was an honest mistake so that makes it ok we're, only running a multi million dollar industry worse than a chook raffle but rules are rules and our customers are just **** out of luck!!!

    Do these guys have any idea what they're saying.

    This is supposed to be a service industry that relies on the customers confidence in the product.

    Professionalism, these clowns wouldn't know the meaning of the word, surely they must be going to compensate the punters who had light 'n' easy correctly for second in quinella's, exacta's, trifecta's etc.
  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    -Was a mistake made = Yes
    -Should it have been made = NO
    -Should the employee be disciplined = YES!
    -Will this incident provide those with agendas more fodder to carry on with for the next week = Regrettably.... Yes I-)
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Nothing like hard hard hitting investigative reporting, Jay.

    What a surprise that's there no mention of the numerous previous stuff ups by RWWA judges or that there is zero accountability for any mistakes made by RWWA and that RWWA's approach to the management of this industry is at best grossly unprofessional and at worst an absolute joke.

    Reported in my opinion exactly as RWWA would have wanted it to be reported.

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/racing/15778291/punters-put-out-by-error-of-judgement/

    Punters put out by error of judgement

    Jay Rooney, The West Australian January 7, 2013, 1:50 pm

    Racing and Wagering WA officials were left red-faced after a judging error incorrectly gave Redwood Rose second place ahead of Light ‘N’ Easy in race one at Pinjarra yesterday.

    The error was not picked up until after correct weight was declared, leaving some exotics punters who had placed bets on the quinella, exacta, trifecta or first four out of pocket.

    Light ‘N’ Easy started at $14 and Redwood Rose was the $3.20 favourite for the race, won by Nunca Te Rindas.

    The result was overturned in RWWA’s official race result, correctly giving connections of Light ‘N’ Easy second place prizemoney and Redwood Rose third place prizemoney.

    RWWA chief handicapper David Hunter was the judge on duty and said it was his first error in 12 years.

    “I made a mistake,” Hunter said.
    “The result was corrected but the rules are clear that the dividends can not be changed after correct weight.”
  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    the duke said:



    No betting though the WATAB, like it or not, and prizemoney and club funding cease.

    I would wait ansd see what RWWA does tomorrow in regards the wrong numbers and dividends being declared.

    Clearly paying out on the correct numbers for the exotics would be the right thing to do.

    Obviously RWWA don`t think its the right thing to do Duke.

  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited January 2013
    Radman, I'm sorry is it too much to ask for a multi million dollar industry to be run in a remotely professional and accountable manner.

    Exactly how many times do these sort of incidents and worse have to happen before something is done.

    If this happened in any other industry with this amount of money regularly channeled through it these people would be out on their ear so fast their heads would spin, yet remarkably no one within RWWA is ever accountable for anything.
  • Brunswick_cowBrunswick_cow    341 posts
    Was brought up by a punter this morning on 882 6pr at about 9:30am, they said they would look into it. They had a response from rwwa stating pretty much what is said in the so called article and would try to get someone from the TAB on to have their say.
    Surprise surprise in the following 2 and a bit hours not a soul from TAB would comment on the matter.

    As for our media over here something happens to a footballer and the media are all over it, in racing not a mention anywhere, never a hard question asked to trainers or jockeys only the light and fluffy stuff.

    3:-O <):)
  • joneseejonesee    715 posts
    Agree completely about the complete lack of any accountability.
    It is just one mistake after another with RWWA. Western Australian racing is losing all credibiilty with the continual run of HONEST mistakes and comedy stuff ups. Yesterday I would love to know what happened with the riding change from Kyra to Fish - for me this is potentially the bigger story especially given the horse firmed from 7 to 2 into odds on..
  • obrienrbobrienrb    630 posts
    I thought the 5 was originally Paul Harvey who was suffering from dehydration and the 15 didn't have a rider named until yuil went on....neither jock had a ride that race before the changes so what's the problem??

    My apologies if I'm missing anything.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    I was on course and they did announce early that P Harvey wasnt riding (before the first) and went through his replacements. I didnt specifically hear this one, but they definitely announced he wasnt riding.
  • obrienrbobrienrb    630 posts
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    obrienrb said:

    I thought the 5 was originally Paul Harvey who was suffering from dehydration and the 15 didn't have a rider named until yuil went on....neither jock had a ride that race before the changes so what's the problem??

    My apologies if I'm missing anything.

    Ignore that
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,488 posts
    i say again re the placings stuff up....
    where were the connections/trainer/jock of the offending horse? surely the jock must have known he ran 2nd..
    what about the punters where was the cry "you mugs have got the placings arse about?
    bit odd, don't you think?
  • joneseejonesee    715 posts
    edited January 2013
    obrienrb said:

    I thought the 5 was originally Paul Harvey who was suffering from dehydration and the 15 didn't have a rider named until yuil went on....neither jock had a ride that race before the changes so what's the problem??

    My apologies if I'm missing anything.

    The WAB site definitely had Kyra riding the horse after Harvey came out as did all the corporate sites and the nsw tab and qld tab sites...and it was this way for several hours....my hope is that this was yet another HONEST mistake.
  • joneseejonesee    715 posts
    The horse was backed from 4.40 into odds on in perhaps the largest single betting move australia wide this weekend....
    ( at least in percentage terms )
  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts

    Radman, I'm sorry is it too much to ask for a multi million dollar industry to be run in a remotely professional and accountable manner.

    Exactly how many times do these sort of incidents and worse have to happen before something is done.

    If this happened in any other industry with this amount of money regularly channeled through it these people would be out on their ear so fast their heads would spin, yet remarkably no one within RWWA is ever accountable for anything.

    You're right Andrew, it shouldn't happen. You're right Andrew it's unprofessional. You're right Andrew, the person should be held accountable (and demoted at least).

    Just can't help but feel you crave such incidents and pounce on them like a starving cat. You then squeeze every ounce of life out of them, not for the betterment of the industry, but for your own personal agenda. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps not......
  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    edited January 2013
    Diva, is it possible for me to like my own post, like a million times...??
  • PandoraPandora    225 posts
    Bigger story at The Age in Melbourne, cant link myself.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited January 2013
    No Radman what happened to me well at least one of the reason why was because I did constructively criticise when things like this happened, so they thought they would be very clever and effectively censor me.

    What I am trying to illustrate is that all of these things are symptomatic of the fact that RWWA is poorly managed from the top downwards, there are a litany of unsavoury incidents, constant mistakes and in some case outright criminal behaviour i.e. the riding fee scandals, a stewards leaving the scene of an accident, yet nothing changes as duck and cover is their company motto, it's a simple as that.

    It does however, really get up my nose that hard working industry people who often do have a genuine excuse due to time constraints etc are held to account for every single error they make, no matter how minor, yet the same standards are never applied to those running the show.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    The Age story

    http://www.theage.com.au/wa-news/investigation-looms-after-racing-numbers-bungle-20130107-2ccbv.html

    Investigation looms after racing numbers bungle

    January 7, 2013 - 4:21PM

    Simon White

    In an embarrassing bungle, race judges declared Redwood Rose (No. 15) finishing second in front of Light 'N' Easy, when the photo finish shows an obvious margin to the horse on the inside.

    In an embarrassing bungle, race judges declared Redwood Rose (No. 15) finishing second in front of Light 'N' Easy, when the photo finish shows an obvious margin to the horse on the inside.

    A potentially embarrassing investigation looms after a judging mix-up rewarded undeserving punters in a race in Pinjarra on Sunday, while leaving legitimate "winners" out of pocket.

    After the first race at Pinjarra on Sunday, correct weight was declared on No. 8 Nunca Te Rindas beating No. 15 Redwood Rose, with No. 12 Light 'N' Easy third and No. 10 Paths Of Victory fourth.

    But a quick examination with the naked eye of the photo finish print reveals an obvious margin to Light 'N' Easy finishing second ahead of Redwood Rose.

    The error has already been corrected on the Racing and Wagering WA website but punters who backed Light 'N' Easy to finish second in multiples such as exactas, trifectas or first fours have done their money cold.
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    Did you get stung by "incorrect weight" being declared at Pinjarra on Sunday. Email us or tweet us @watoday to share your tale of woe.

    "Once the correct weight is declared and the all clear is given, we pay out on those dividends," the WA TAB's David Shortte said.

    "It's an unfortunate situation but there is nothing we can do about it.

    "It works both ways - Redwood Rose was the favourite and punters who had her to finish second will have won when they probably shouldn't.

    "On the other hand, those who had Light 'N' Easy to finish second will miss out."

    Shortte said there was no avenue to assist legitimate "winners" who had ended up out of pocket, ruling out refunds for punters who backed Light 'N' Easy to finish second.

    He described the situation as rare but not unprecedented and said there were similar incidences "across the world" every year.

    It is understood Racing and Wagering WA has launched an investigation to determine how the error occurred.

    Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/investigation-looms-after-racing-numbers-bungle-20130107-2ccbv.html#ixzz2HHQPHijx
  • theduketheduke    284 posts


    RWWA has erred by not honouring losing "winning" bets. An ex-gratia payment would certainly help punters to bet local.

    From a public relations viewpoint that should have been a no-brainer.
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