BarakeyWest Australian Racing

H-BOMBER

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Barakey is clearly the best horse racing in WA at the moment

Sorry have to disagree.

Waratahs Secret IMO is the best horse going around at the moment, his last two runs prove that, he is going down by very small margins giving chunks of weight in handicaps. ANY WFA race under 1400m would be won by WS at the moment, and its at WFA where I consider the best horses. I love Barakey as much as the next person, and what he is doing for PR is great, but he would have to beat WS at WFA before I would be giving him the title, and until that happens I am sticking with the Waratah. I was on Ranger yesterday and thank f#$k he had a 7kg pull, at WFA Waratah would be unbeaten this prep by at least 6 lengths.

When all said and done, the Winterbottom is shaping to be the race of the year.

Semipropunter

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Barakey is clearly the best horse racing in WA at the moment

Sorry have to disagree.


When all said and done, the Winterbottom is shaping to be the race of the year.

But "the best horse in WA" won't be heading that way according to reports-supposed to be on a path towards the Railway. Makes the decision to come back in distance for the Prince of Wales at WFA an interesting one. The Lee Steere Stakes(1400m, WFA, 15/11) a fortnight before the Railway looks ideal.

H-BOMBER

Yeah i dont get it, WS got 1600m as a 3yo but could get away with it on class. Im no trainerbut I wouldnt be going past 1400m. Good luck to them but!

Semipropunter

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Yeah i dont get it, WS got 1600m as a 3yo but could get away with it on class. Im no trainerbut I wouldnt be going past 1400m. Good luck to them but!

I don't mind the idea. Especially if the horses fly across from the east- will mean he won't have to carry 58-60kg, but failing that he has shown he can lump the big weights and he was lunging back at Ranger on the weekend. In recent years Gathering and Sniper's Bullets have lead or been right on the speed and won easily. We know WS will be high-balling out in front. I remember the Pontiff commenting after the Scahill last year he thought he settled really well and would get the mile easily.

H-BOMBER

My mistake, he never got out to 1600m as a 3yo, only 1400 where he just held on from The Corporation.

TheDiva

Barakey's win up on You Tube:

TheFunkster

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My mistake, he never got out to 1600m as a 3yo, only 1400 where he just held on from The Corporation.

Yep, he was too brilliant early. I'm pretty sure he's o/o a Zabeel mare and appears more relaxed in his racing style and it was a fantastic effort to fight back under the big weight. I'm sure his chest was about a foot in front of Ranger's on the line after being well and truely headed :(
I think he is a great chance for races like the Lee Steere and Railway, and would even press on for the Kingston Town with him.

TheFunkster

After going within a poofteenth of the track record on Saturday, surely they need to be aiming for The Winterbottom with Barakey. There's a lot of water to flow under the bridge before Black Caviar steps out at Ascot and home ground advantage counts for a bit too

Semipropunter

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My mistake, he never got out to 1600m as a 3yo, only 1400 where he just held on from The Corporation.

I think he is a great chance for races like the Lee Steere and Railway, and would even press on for the Kingston Town with him.

After his effort in the Scahill last sunner and his past two efforts under crushing weights, WS will absolutely pulverise the opposition in the Lee Steere.

darkshines

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My mistake, he never got out to 1600m as a 3yo, only 1400 where he just held on from The Corporation.

Yep, he was too brilliant early. I'm pretty sure he's o/o a Zabeel mare and appears more relaxed in his racing style and it was a fantastic effort to fight back under the big weight. I'm sure his chest was about a foot in front of Ranger's on the line after being well and truely headed :(
I think he is a great chance for races like the Lee Steere and Railway, and would even press on for the Kingston Town with him.

It's a no brainer. If he gets the run Gathering got last year, he'd probably win just easy, and if he got the run IJ got in the KT, he'd probably win that too (watch them go out in 11 sec furlongs in both now . . . )

But FFS get the Pontiff back on . . . . . Did he know that Ranger was the one behind him? Surely if you did you'd make sure you don't leave the paint . . .

First look at Barakey in the flesh. Not a stunner by any means, but strong. He's good, but not Hay List good

dungy

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My mistake, he never got out to 1600m as a 3yo, only 1400 where he just held on from The Corporation.

Yep, he was too brilliant early. I'm pretty sure he's o/o a Zabeel mare and appears more relaxed in his racing style and it was a fantastic effort to fight back under the big weight. I'm sure his chest was about a foot in front of Ranger's on the line after being well and truely headed :(
I think he is a great chance for races like the Lee Steere and Railway, and would even press on for the Kingston Town with him.

It's a no brainer. If he gets the run Gathering got last year, he'd probably win just easy, and if he got the run IJ got in the KT, he'd probably win that too (watch them go out in 11 sec furlongs in both now . . . )

But FFS get the Pontiff back on . . . . . Did he know that Ranger was the one behind him? Surely if you did you'd make sure you don't leave the paint . . .

First look at Barakey in the flesh. Not a stunner by any means, but strong. He's good, but not Hay List good

Get Ponty back agree but lets hope DS he rides Waratahs better than he did in the Winterbottom last year when he also left the fence and the rest is history !!!

Semipropunter

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My mistake, he never got out to 1600m as a 3yo, only 1400 where he just held on from The Corporation.

Yep, he was too brilliant early. I'm pretty sure he's o/o a Zabeel mare and appears more relaxed in his racing style and it was a fantastic effort to fight back under the big weight. I'm sure his chest was about a foot in front of Ranger's on the line after being well and truely headed :(
I think he is a great chance for races like the Lee Steere and Railway, and would even press on for the Kingston Town with him.

It's a no brainer. If he gets the run Gathering got last year, he'd probably win just easy, and if he got the run IJ got in the KT, he'd probably win that too (watch them go out in 11 sec furlongs in both now . . . )

But FFS get the Pontiff back on . . . . . Did he know that Ranger was the one behind him? Surely if you did you'd make sure you don't leave the paint . . .

First look at Barakey in the flesh. Not a stunner by any means, but strong. He's good, but not Hay List good

Get Ponty back agree but lets hope DS he rides Waratahs better than he did in the Winterbottom last year when he also left the fence and the rest is history !!!

Waratah's Secret's best performance last prep was his last run before a spell and, with his main target being the Railway I think that's when we will see the best of him-but I will be loading up big time in the Lee Steere-WFA, 1400m and at Ascot where he can kick off the corner=MORAL. The narrow defeats in his past two starts under massive imposts are probably a reflection of how good he is going. When WS wins, it is usually by a fair space and Ranger probably raced upside down on the weekend-what odds he settles back further next start?, That's why WS was coming back on him on the line-if there was something to make WS really work, I think Ranger settles further back and wins by even further.

dungy

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My mistake, he never got out to 1600m as a 3yo, only 1400 where he just held on from The Corporation.

Yep, he was too brilliant early. I'm pretty sure he's o/o a Zabeel mare and appears more relaxed in his racing style and it was a fantastic effort to fight back under the big weight. I'm sure his chest was about a foot in front of Ranger's on the line after being well and truely headed :(
I think he is a great chance for races like the Lee Steere and Railway, and would even press on for the Kingston Town with him.

It's a no brainer. If he gets the run Gathering got last year, he'd probably win just easy, and if he got the run IJ got in the KT, he'd probably win that too (watch them go out in 11 sec furlongs in both now . . . )

But FFS get the Pontiff back on . . . . . Did he know that Ranger was the one behind him? Surely if you did you'd make sure you don't leave the paint . . .

First look at Barakey in the flesh. Not a stunner by any means, but strong. He's good, but not Hay List good

Get Ponty back agree but lets hope DS he rides Waratahs better than he did in the Winterbottom last year when he also left the fence and the rest is history !!!

Waratah's Secret's best performance last prep was his last run before a spell and, with his main target being the Railway I think that's when we will see the best of him-but I will be loading up big time in the Lee Steere-WFA, 1400m and at Ascot where he can kick off the corner=MORAL. The narrow defeats in his past two starts under massive imposts are probably a reflection of how good he is going. When WS wins, it is usually by a fair space and Ranger probably raced upside down on the weekend-what odds he settles back further next start?, That's why WS was coming back on him on the line-if there was something to make WS really work, I think Ranger settles further back and wins by even further.

Agree Semi on all WS best win last prep was 1400m WFA b4 he went to the paddock but agree on Ranger was ridden upside down on Sat due to the barrier is a lot better and being saved up for 1 run at the 200m and with you on the Lee Steere at WFA WS looks a moral .

TorpedoPunt

Love to see Barakey line up in a Doomben 10,000.

Dark

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Just a bit of perspective..........If yesterday's race were WFA (as is the Winterbottom), Mabel Grace would have met Barakey about 6.5kg better off for a 2.25L defeat. Mabel Grace for the Winterbottom?

There are many studies that have concluded weight cant be converted to lengths.

IMO its almost useless, I've ran many simulations through my database and every time the results have been WORSE when they've been adjusted for weight.

Granted the more weight you add to a horse to carry will eventually start to slow it down, but the more weight you take off certainly will not keep speeding it up.

WARATAHS get 7KG off RANGER and goes down about 3 lengths.

Again, putting a figure how how much weight effects horses is next to useless.

JustanL

Before we talk Black Caviar, can or could Barakey beat Sepoy?. How about we crawl before we walk. He may run time's and beat up the same old rival's over here but, east coast is a hole new swimming pool. If they think he is that good then take her on in the Winterbottom as handicap points will not matter if he is that good.

thefalcon

on a 9 race card..what race do you think the winterbottom will be????

tony

If 9 races I would think it would be race 5, or if 10 raves (as I heard Macca say today) then race 6.

TheDiva

Time to bring Barakey back to the fore. Sportsbet, one of australia's worst bookmakers, has an opening market for the Lightning.

Lightning Stakes
18 February 2012Fix

Hay List 4.00
Barakey 5.00
Ortensia 6.00
African Pulse 7.50
Karuta Queen 7.50
Sister Madly 8.00
Buffering 11.00
Foxwedge 13.00
Mid Summer Music 15.00
Kulgrinda 15.00
Rarefied 17.00
Happy Zero 17.00
Curtana 17.00
Atomic Force 17.00
Zamorar 21.00
Shrapnel 21.00
First Command 21.00
Stirling Grove 21.00
Satin Shoes 26.00
Response 26.00
Temple Of Boom 26.00
Masthead 31.00
Valentine Miss 31.00
Parables 31.00
Toorak Toff 31.00
Facile Tigre 31.00
Peturbo 31.00
Decision Time 31.00
Phelan Ready 41.00
Soul 41.00
Catapulted 41.00
Sistine Ange l41.00
Eagle Falls 41.00
Ego's Dare 41.00
Amaethon 51.00
Varenna Miss 51.00
Definitely Ready 51.00
Rue Maple 51.00
Master Of Design 51.00
Panipique 51.00
Doubtful Jack 51.00
Spirit Of Boom 51.00

Vorgtraffic

imagine taking 7.50 KQ

Should be 750

Pratty

What are your thoughts on Barakey working through the grades here rather than heading east for a crack at the big sprint races coming up?

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/racing/12525249/taylor-holds-fire-on-barakey-agenda/

Personally if I had a share in the horse I would be keen to see how good she really is and would have a fair amount of confidence that she would perform well over there.

Why hold back?

DamienWyer

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What are your thoughts on Barakey working through the grades here rather than heading east for a crack at the big sprint races coming up?

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/racing/12525249/taylor-holds-fire-on-barakey-agenda/

Personally if I had a share in the horse I would be keen to see how good she really is and would have a fair amount of confidence that she would perform well over there.

Why hold back?

Well nothing will beat him here. When he returns he will run against small fields, with most dodging him. He will eventually go to Melbourne with in excess of 10 wins, because if he wins in Melbourne it is over for him here in everything except Open class black type events.

Now I am only guessing, but Jim is a strategist rather than a gambler.

WA Racing and Perth Racing(WATC) in particular, are desperate for horses of his calibre to be running here. There is not a single horse in WA that currently would bring people through the gates. Barakey is the great white hope in that respect.

Pratty

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What are your thoughts on Barakey working through the grades here rather than heading east for a crack at the big sprint races coming up?

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/racing/12525249/taylor-holds-fire-on-barakey-agenda/

Personally if I had a share in the horse I would be keen to see how good she really is and would have a fair amount of confidence that she would perform well over there.

Why hold back?

Well nothing will beat him here. When he returns he will run against small fields, with most dodging him. He will eventually go to Melbourne with in excess of 10 wins, because if he wins in Melbourne it is over for him here in everything except Open class black type events.

Now I am only guessing, but Jim is a strategist rather than a gambler.

WA Racing and Perth Racing(WATC) in particular, are desperate for horses of his calibre to be running here. There is not a single horse in WA that currently would bring people through the gates. Barakey is the great white hope in that respect.

I agree but the prize money is better and surely you get into horse ownership in the hope that you have a horse good enough to go take on the best? Not to beat small fields for the benefit of Perth Racing?

DamienWyer

No not saying that the Owners are working for the benefit of Perth Racing, but of course PR do benefit if he continues to rack up wins and dominate the local scene.

I think there is more to the part of the story where Jim has said that he being a December foal, needs to be closer to 5YO before he takes on the Open class sprinters in Melbourne. He might as well go there with 10 plus wins under his belt.

By the way, there are a couple of relations of Barakey being offered in the upcoming Perth Magic Millions Sale. Don't you think their value has gone through the roof as a result of Barakey's dominance ?

Pratty

I'm sure they have :)

An exciting horse so hope they do get to Melbourne eventually.

thefalcon

I remember a wise old racing man saying..in respect to full/half siblings & close relations of good horses:
"Nellie Melba's brother couldn't whistle.."

He would only buy/breed horses out of a non-raced or lightly raced mare.
People paying millions for Makybe Diva's foals completely astound me.
Remember a son of Light Fingers, Her Boy, going around at Narrogin and the likes. Probably finished up at Yalgoo... :roll:

Unknown

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I remember a wise old racing man saying..in respect to full/half siblings & close relations of good horses:
"Nellie Melba's brother couldn't whistle.."

He would only buy/breed horses out of a non-raced or lightly raced mare.
People paying millions for Makybe Diva's foals completely astound me.
Remember a son of Light Fingers, Her Boy, going around at Narrogin and the likes. Probably finished up at Yalgoo... :roll:

To be fair Her Boy did win a few city races, owned by a tough footy player Cyril Litterick and trained by Peter Watson

Voodoo

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I remember a wise old racing man saying..in respect to full/half siblings & close relations of good horses:
"Nellie Melba's brother couldn't whistle.."

He would only buy/breed horses out of a non-raced or lightly raced mare.
People paying millions for Makybe Diva's foals completely astound me.
Remember a son of Light Fingers, Her Boy, going around at Narrogin and the likes. Probably finished up at Yalgoo... :roll:

To be fair Her Boy did win a few city races, owned by a tough footy player Cyril Litterick and trained by Peter Watson

Went to Margaret Skinner and raced successfully in the Great Southern also......
Handy galloper in his day.

cheers

Rodent

I'm sure I backed a son of Light Fingers at Canterbury over 1900m in a stakes race. It was ridden by Peter Cook and fell in to beat Marooned. Noble Touch??? Not sure what it's name was. I was so impressed with the run of Marooned, I had $1000 on him to win the Sydney Cup. This was the biggest bet I'd ever had as I was a teenager at the time with about $2k to my name :lol:

Rodent

I just checked the stud book and it says Light Fingers had 4 named foals. Nimble Touch was the horse I backed in the Group 3 Canterbury Cup in 1986. He was her only stakeswinner.