HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGEDI

bookielover · March 8

I happened to stumble across an article written by by journalist David Hickey back in 1986 in which he managed to obtain the turnover figures for the top 10 bookies who operated at Randwick for the 1985/ 86 season and the top 8 Interstate bookies for that same period.

Now, it's important to note that the turnover figures which I will post here, are ONLY for the meetings worked at Randwick and no other courses in Sydney. Most of the local and interstate bookies worked all 29 meetings. Bierne worked 28, Peter Tood only worked 20 so that's a decent holding working 9 meetings less than the others. Lobb worked 25. In the interstate ring, Barrett only worked 18 out of a possible 29,

LOCAL BOOKIES

1. Dominic Bierne $16,699,000

2. Roger Manning $ 10,658,000

3. Phil Matt's $ 7, 129,000

4. Peter Todd. $ 4,275, 000

5. Con Kafataris. $ 4,003,000

6. Shelton. $ 3,781,000

7. Hyer $ 3,636,000

8, Mchugh. $ 3,616,000

9. Deluca. $ 3, 051,000

10. Digger Lobb. $ 2,449,000

I don't know Shelton, and Hyer's first names, first names weren't provided on the list. Mchugh may be Bruce Mchugh's brother but I'm

not sure. I think Deluca's first name was Ron. Digger Lobb got the name Digger as he was a WW 2, vet. I never met Phil Matts but did know a relative of his who worked for a betting shop in Vanuatu that I bet with. I didn't know Con Kafataris or Peter Todd but was very friendly with Roger Manning, a messy divorce stuffed him, and knew Dominic Bierne when he'd come to Melbourne. He bet with my dad.

BOOKIES WORKING ON INTERSTATE MEETINGS

1. Bruce Mchugh. $ 18,514,000

2. Bill Hurley. $ 9,344,000

3. Colin Tidy $ 5,552,000

4. Charlie Damore $ 4,653,000

5, John Lollback $ 3,163,000

6. Doug Jordan $ 2,800,000

7. Butch Wylie $ 2,523,000

8. Harry Barrett $ 1,368,000

The only bookies I knew from that ring were Butch Wylie, who was a lovely bloke and I used to bet with him on the interstate dog meetings, mainly Melbourne, when he worked at Wentworth Park. Passed away way too young. The other was Harry Barrett who was quite friendly with my dad and I met him quite a few times.

I rarely agree with Carey, a member here, but he's always said that the betting on the rails in Sydney, was massive, and the above figures prove it. I can tell you that no bookie in Melbourne at that time was turning over the money at 28 meetings at Flemington, that Bierne was holding at Randwick.

By the way the bookies were paying 2.25% turnover tax, so with excess, a bookie holing what Bierne was, was paying around 30,000 in turnover tax and expenses every meeting.

The above figures are from 40 years ago and it tells us all what we know already, the game for on course bookies is just one about survival and earning. The gambling bookie has completely disappeared as have the punters who bet with them.

I've said it before and will say it again. I really feel for forum members out there who will never experience what blokes like me, and others here in our 70's experienced in the betting rings of 40 years ago.

Markovina · March 8

Only did it once to see what it was like - but when D Bierne was at his peak at Randwick , but i hung around his stand for a minutes , and he had a couple of young blokes employed , and they would grab the cash off the punter and yell out - whats this one - whats this one - so the penciler could hear the bet - it was just rapid fire bet after bet

Harry Barrett had that car yard of course

To show how big the bets were and the pressure that went with it , Ken Callendar was promoted to the Rails , but he chucked it in within a year , said he nearly had a nervous breakdown , said he was waking up 2am in the morning and would watch TV - said the size of the bets just rattled him

Bruce McHUGH was a very wealthy bookie , but Kerry Packer hit him for a home run , i think it might have been Snippets in the Sire Produce on the Easter Monday , and Packer unloaded on it , might have been about 4-1 and it won , and McHugh resigned the next day , i think his thought process was - ive got all this wealth , but a few big winning bets from K Packer and he can clean me out quick smart

savethegame · March 8

B.L Interesting no Bill Waterhouse name he was the biggest on rails in 70s was he not as prominent in 80s

DamienWyer · March 8

I remember those guys straddling the fence between the Members and the great unwashed, swinging the satchels and giving you tickets that were written in code.

McHugh was Packers bookie until he wanted to bet in $1M units

carey · March 8

bookielover said:
I happened to stumble across an article written by by journalist David Hickey back in 1986 in which he managed to obtain the turnover figures for the top 10 bookies who operated at Randwick for the 1985/ 86 season and the top 8 Interstate bookies for that same period.

Now, it's important to note that the turnover figures which I will post here, are ONLY for the meetings worked at Randwick and no other courses in Sydney. Most of the local and interstate bookies worked all 29 meetings. Bierne worked 28, Peter Tood only worked 20 so that's a decent holding working 9 meetings less than the others. Lobb worked 25. In the interstate ring, Barrett only worked 18 out of a possible 29,
LOCAL BOOKIES
1. Dominic Bierne $16,699,000
2. Roger Manning $ 10,658,000
3. Phil Matt's $ 7, 129,000
4. Peter Todd. $ 4,275, 000
5. Con Kafataris. $ 4,003,000
6. Shelton. $ 3,781,000
7. Hyer $ 3,636,000
8, Mchugh. $ 3,616,000
9. Deluca. $ 3, 051,000
10. Digger Lobb. $ 2,449,000

I don't know Shelton, and Hyer's first names, first names weren't provided on the list. Mchugh may be Bruce Mchugh's brother but I'm
not sure. I think Deluca's first name was Ron. Digger Lobb got the name Digger as he was a WW 2, vet. I never met Phil Matts but did know a relative of his who worked for a betting shop in Vanuatu that I bet with. I didn't know Con Kafataris or Peter Todd but was very friendly with Roger Manning, a messy divorce stuffed him, and knew Dominic Bierne when he'd come to Melbourne. He bet with my dad.

BOOKIES WORKING ON INTERSTATE MEETINGS

1. Bruce Mchugh. $ 18,514,000
2. Bill Hurley. $ 9,344,000
3. Colin Tidy $ 5,552,000
4. Charlie Damore $ 4,653,000
5, John Lollback $ 3,163,000
6. Doug Jordan $ 2,800,000
7. Butch Wylie $ 2,523,000
8. Harry Barrett $ 1,368,000
The only bookies I knew from that ring were Butch Wylie, who was a lovely bloke and I used to bet with him on the interstate dog meetings, mainly Melbourne, when he worked at Wentworth Park. Passed away way too young. The other was Harry Barrett who was quite friendly with my dad and I met him quite a few times.

I rarely agree with Carey, a member here, but he's always said that the betting on the rails in Sydney, was massive, and the above figures prove it. I can tell you that no bookie in Melbourne at that time was turning over the money at 28 meetings at Flemington, that Bierne was holding at Randwick.
By the way the bookies were paying 2.25% turnover tax, so with excess, a bookie holing what Bierne was, was paying around 30,000 in turnover tax and expenses every meeting.

The above figures are from 40 years ago and it tells us all what we know already, the game for on course bookies is just one about survival and earning. The gambling bookie has completely disappeared as have the punters who bet with them.

I've said it before and will say it again. I really feel for forum members out there who will never experience what blokes like me, and others here in our 70's experienced in the betting rings of 40 years ago.

I know you may not agree with me, but the ONLY thing I knew about the Sydney ring, was nothing at all.

I got friendly with Dom Beirne after he was done as a bookie, because we were working together, for a year or two in Sydney.

I used to fly up every so often and then get taken to a place in Pyrmont, but I quit because I got lied to(not by Dom).

carey · March 8

As far as the betting ring in Melbourne goes, then nearly all my money was bet with a bookie named Chang(Jack I think).
He would always let us on for whatever with a roll of the board, and then send his men off to bet on those nags.
I am pretty sure he had a bigger turnover that a lot of the rails bookies in Melbourne at the time
When he got promoted to the rails, he stopped letting us on, and I have no idea why he did that.

thefalcon · March 9

carey, you should write a book.

bookielover · March 9

savethegame said:
B.L Interesting no Bill Waterhouse name he was the biggest on rails in 70s was he not as prominent in 80's

savethegame said:
To the best of my knowledge, Bill and Robbie were suspended at that time over Fine Cotton.

carey · March 9

I am decidedly uninteresting Falcon.

As far as WA goes, David Hunter once asked Dom Beirne if he knew me.
It was probably when Dom was doing the handicapping review for RWWA.

Dom just told him, that yes he knows me, and that I was something of a times and math expert.
Hunter then decided to ask nothing more from Dom about me.
I have no idea why Dom would think me a math expert, as it's one of my weaker points, and he himself is very good at numbers.

bookielover · March 9

Carey, not that it really matters, and without scrolling through years of posts, but you have stated on many occasions, that no one really knows how big the level of betting that was taking place in the Sydney betting ring in the 1980's was. As you say, you became friendly with Dom and you worked together for two years after he'd left the ring. Therefore, it is quite possible that you had conversations with him about the level of betting that took place when he was working.

Anyway, whether you did or not, and you are now saying, that you knew nothing about the level of betting which took place at that time, the above figures show that the 80's were the last time that betting at that level took place.

As far as Jack Chang is concerned, I believe you that he let you on for what you wanted, however he was pretty well despised by most punters on the ground, particularly for his refusal to bet fractions. I once had to back back a horse at 12/1 for my father and went to him and asked for 5000/400 cash the horse and he yelled at me" no flactions". I wasn't the only one to whom he did that, and other than not betting fractions, he could be very aggressive and rude. But, you got on, so at the end of the day, that's all that matters. And I'm not being sarcastic in saying that, I mean it.

As an example, of me not being sarcastic about you and Chang, Stan White was another bookie who was on the rails, who could be a real anal orifice on the stand. He was a shocker. He would treat many punters like cr@p but I never had a problem with him and he always bet me what I asked, and bet me, or when I was betting back for dad, fractions. He was my Jack Chang. Bottom line is, that we didn't care about his manner or lack thereof to others, we were getting good and polite service from him.

bookielover · March 9

Markovina,

Barrett's wife still owns the car yards and a heap of land on Parramatta Road with millions. I am a close friend with a close relative of hers. He told me a story about Packer owing Harry $826,000 that Kerry had lost on the Saturday. On Monday morning, limo arrived at the very ordinary Barrett car yard office on Parramatta Road and out steps Kerry with a small suitcase. He marched into Harry's office, opens it up and poors out the money in it on Harry's desk. " Count it", he says. So Harry with help of the relative who worked for him at the time, count it and there is $800,000 there. Harry says, what about the other 26 grand, and Kerry say, I don't deal in small change, and walks out.

carey · March 9

bookielover said:
Carey, not that it really matters, and without scrolling through years of posts, but you have stated on many occasions, that no one really knows how big the level of betting that was taking place in the Sydney betting ring in the 1980's was. As you say, you became friendly with Dom and you worked together for two years after he'd left the ring. Therefore, it is quite possible that you had conversations with him about the level of betting that took place when he was working.

Anyway, whether you did or not, and you are now saying, that you knew nothing about the level of betting which took place at that time, the above figures show that the 80's were the last time that betting at that level took place.

As far as Jack Chang is concerned, I believe you that he let you on for what you wanted, however he was pretty well despised by most punters on the ground, particularly for his refusal to bet fractions. I once had to back back a horse at 12/1 for my father and went to him and asked for 5000/400 cash the horse and he yelled at me" no flactions". I wasn't the only one to whom he did that, and other than not betting fractions, he could be very aggressive and rude. But, you got on, so at the end of the day, that's all that matters. And I'm not being sarcastic in saying that, I mean it.

As an example, of me not being sarcastic about you and Chang, Stan White was another bookie who was on the rails, who could be a real anal orifice on the stand. He was a shocker. He would treat many punters like cr@p but I never had a problem with him and he always bet me what I asked, and bet me, or when I was betting back for dad, fractions. He was my Jack Chang. Bottom line is, that we didn't care about his manner or lack thereof to others, we were getting good and polite service from him.

My memory is not what it once was, but I can distinctly remember asking for the fractions when the offered odds lent themselves to it.

If that was Chang I am not sure, and maybe not important to us if he kept giving us the roll.

The other thing I can distinctly remember is Alf? Blamey, always putting his odds up first, and sometimes posting unbelievably good odds, that a few smart punters would be waiting for.
Whatever, those good times came to an end ~1990 when punters suddenly grew smarter because Scott educated the idiots with his books, and the over-rounds suddenly meant less and less opportunities for people like me.
That was when I decided to toss it in and start watching birds instead.

Year later I got asked to join a syndicate where Dom was asked too and how I met him.
That was financed by Mat Tripp, and I don't believe it ever got to the stage where it was making money.

I had one rule when I joined....If I ever found out I was being lied to, then I was out.

It happened, so I walked.

It turns out that Dom's mate Michael Fraser was owed many thousands for providing detailed times and section times for every track that was covered by the tote.

I guess it's not enough to have clever people doing stuff, you also need trust.
My only regret is that one guy I liked and got on with, lost 3 or 4 million because Tripp demanded guarantees before he would put money in.
I was long gone when that happened though.

bookielover · March 9

Carey, you are correct about Alf Blamey being first up with the odds. Alf used to get his market information from a big SP bookie, in of all places Tasmania. That bookie handled a lot of hot money on a Friday and through that supplied Alf with the "mail" he needed to be first up with the market at around 120%, which as you would know was no luxury. Having said that, he made mistakes, and a group of punters would crowd around him picking off what they believed were the overs. He would generally bet them to win $5,000 but would only take one bet, usually from one of his credit clients and then turn the price off.

I got to know Don Scott well when he left the Sydney betting ring and would fly down to Melbourne together with his mate solicitor Morgan Ryan who was Lionel Murphy's best mate. For those who don't know them google them. Anyway, Don wanted the relative anonymity of being in Melbourne, although we all knew who he was, and to the Melbourne punters credit, he was left alone. He bet with only 3-4 bookies, my dad being one, and he was only having say 700/200 a horse with each bookie. His days of betting huge were over. Perhaps because as you say, he had taught the punters to work out value, he couldn't get much value himself. His mate Morgan followed him in with similar bets. They flew down each week and always settled if they had lost, before starting to bet again. I can tell you, that Don wasn't very successful in Melbourne.

You mentioned Michael Fraser. I met him a few times in Sydney and we went out for dinner with a bloke who was a journalist and a commission agent for Kerry Packer Mal McCallum, I think his first name was Mal, he had a relative called Mungo, perhaps his brother. Like you the memory is fading a bit. Anyway, Michael was a gentleman. He used to provide a ratings service in the middle 90's for a fee and I used to get them. Mal was a great storyteller and I wish I could remember some. I do remember him telling me that Packer was shocking loser irrespective of the amount he lost, but a good slinger when he won.

A mate of mine once said about Mathew Tripp that he'd murder his parents so that he could get a free feed at the orphans picnic. I have never met the bloke, but I don't think I'd want to be in business with him.

carey · March 9

As far as Don Scott was concerned, I only saw him once in Melbourne.
It was the day Sauna won her first race in Melbourne at a Wednesday meeting in 1984 I think it may have been

I only know what I have read about him, and of course I have read all his books.

I used to buy anything to do with racing as you never know what ideas they may help you get

I would not know Fraser if I fell over him, I just know a few people that used his information.
I would have no idea if he is still doing it..

Not sure he is gentleman though, as his twitter feed can be obnoxious, although it appears he has left.
here ....... @gettingcloser

Hopefully he is still alive and kicking.
I can vaguely recall Dom saying he was having major health issues.....maybe his prostate.

I used to buy info, like the midweeker for barrier trials, and some private rating services, before I realised I could do it better myself by learning all I could about weight and time and probability stats.

And by sticking to Melbourne only, where I used to bet Sydney races in the interstate ring in Melbourne

I never met Tripp, although I was in Melbourne with the guy who went to Tripp's office in Melbourne seeking finance, but never went inside with him..
Can't remember where it was, maybe Lonsdale St.

lick · March 11

Bookies haven't evolved with the times - the bookies ring is boring - bookie prices much the same as the tote - and there are generally small bets (by comparison to yesteryear).

They need to up their prices, take a risk - they'll get you in the end anyway.

Money back second and third - bonus bets - reward money - drink token for any $200 plus bet etc etc

Think a bit different, maybe.

spinking · March 11

Dont know much about it Lick. but from what i do know they (bookmakers) still have to pay turnover tax, they also have to accept bets up to a certain amount. The corporates can just say no we are limiting you to have on what they want to set you at, and have a nuch more captive audience as opposed to oncourse bookmakers. Dont know if that really relates, but i ma sure you will hear from Bookilover as per your post. On a side note years ago in the Perth ring (when it was a ring). the Ascot inn then owned by Wayne Harken gave you a middy for every losing ticket bet with Kim Hunter. The promotion did not last lonf when Wayne realised that the local lads wer collecting every losing Kim Hunter ticket off the ground and having a free night on the drink

Rodent · March 11

Bookies used to survive on mug money. The corporates have siphoned off most of the mug money now.

DamienWyer · March 11

Back in the day, newspapers used to report the big bets and who made them. That was until Chris Murphy, a senior defence lawyer, got something like 7 out of 8 winners at Rosehill one day turning $10k into $1.8M and buying a block of flats in Bondi. But he took umbrage at being outed on the back page of the Telegraph and the practice was subsequently stopped.

In my memory, that was the start of the end of the colourful racing identity in Sydney. The sport can't survive on just Trainers, Jockeys and pundits having the limelight, the little guy needs to know that punters can have big wins as well and it gives them hope that they can too. Now it's about just getting **** at a party. Anyone who does have success is targeted by the corporates and is black balled off sites.

In Casino's the art of beating the house see's card counters handicapped by shuffling machines or additional decks and if that doesn't work, you just get escorted off site. The greed is unmatched. Minimum betting tables are scarce, they vary between daytime betting limits and night shift or weekends. Worse yet, in games such as Poker, the house makes only a commission from each hand, so they enforce speed rules, the number of hours a player can sit at a table to encourage turnover of players, then when they can't make enough rake off that, they raise those limits because in most capitol cities of Australia they have monopoly cartels who have convinced Governments that they can't survive when in competition.

So the very life has been sucked out of Racing events by the outside influences and greed of those who essentially put nothing back in and tell everyone how they are good for the Industry for only taking a percentage of the takings. The knock on effect is that Clubs charge for everything at mafia rates just to try and survive and going to the races becomes a once a year or so event for the vast majority. That's less people becoming involved and the slow and agonising death of Country Racing and eventually City Racing as well.

While I'm on my high horse. Those who give out betting information on Radio and television need to be held a little more accountable. They effectively could throw darts at the newspaper pinned to the wall with similar results. Almost nothing in markets over 6/1 is talked about by these so called experts. Strike rates are appalling.

JayJay · March 11

The solution is staring us in the face. For starters.bulldoze that **** tip at Burswood into the river.

Bushbookie · March 11

Lick ,Bookie here I try it over here in Qld on the bush circuit . Give a Odds Boost for all horse ( $4.00 on board you get $4.60 on ticket ) , then you get a Cash boost of 10% of your bet ( your $50 bet become $55 , $100 bet becomes $110 ) . Got 2 real estate size signs displaying it in front of stand and 90% of punters ignore it and bet with the other bookies displaying the SAME board odds as me . Majority of punters dont care anymore about top odds .

bookielover · March 14

To Lick and Spinking,

Nothing is forever. The demise of the bookies ring can be put down to a number of things. It really started in the early 90's.

The enormous growth from its inception in 1961 of the off course tote. Phone betting with the TAB. Sky Channel. The lack of encouragement from the racing authorities to promote the on course experience. When they did run an advertising campaign in the 1990's in Victoria, they did not show any punter betting with an on course bookie. The advent of Betfair. The corporate bookmakers and the refusal by the authorities to force the corps to have an on course as well as their off course presence. It mightn't have made a difference, but they do in England at Ascot.

Then there is the change in lifestyle. I have four kids and grandkids, none bet. They have totally different interests. And I am sure that most of yours, probably don't bet either. If they do, it's mainly on sports and on their phones. If they DO go to the track, as Bush Bookie said, they have got no fkn idea about value, percentages, etc.

The bottom line is this. In Victoria to the best of my knowledge, we don't have a bookie on course at any trot or greyhound meeting. BUT, we are the last bastion for decent bookie numbers at our city tracks. We have around 40 working in the city on a Saturday, and yes that can include a number of bookies with two stands, usually around five. There will be around 50 at Warrnambool. Picnic meetings have 13 operating and country meetings where they have closed rings, that is the number of bookies working is purposely limited, it will be between 4 and 10 depending on the meeting. Compare that to Brisbane city, 4 bookies, Sydney I think it's 20, Adelaide, Curley Seal is the last of the Mohikan's as far as I know, and about 8-10 in Perth at the bigger meetings.

Rails bookies in Melbourne have to bet you to win , I think it's now 3,000 it used to be 5,000 but with the drop in on course attendance they reduced it. I believe the turnover tax is now 1%. Speaking recently to a rails bookie mate of mine, he said you can back them for 20-30 thousand at a regular meeting, but, as the call of the card showed, a lot lot more during the carnival. The days of going on a Saturday or to a city midweek meeting and backing them to win a million, are gone.

My dad, got 80,000 out of a 7/4 chance on the last race, at a Flemington mid-week meeting in the 1980's, to blast out of trouble, and win on the day.They wouldn't hold 80,000 on the whole card at a midweek meeting today. That's not the bookies fault, it's just that the big punters as we knew them are dead, there is no cash money around, and the game has completely changed. The day of the gambling bookie, is gone.

I'd like to be around in another 20 years to see what it will look like, but it's not hard to imagine our racecourses finishing up like the lifeless ones in the USA.

FairCraic69 · March 14

I think this discussion is really about the decline of the WA TAB and the slow disappearance of a once-familiar figure on the racing scene — the traditional bookmaker.

Let me throw in my two cents.

In my view, a major turning point for racing in Western Australia came when the Burswood Casino — what some of us jokingly still call the old Rivervale rubbish dump — was built. When the casino project was being put together, its backers wanted a connection with the horse-racing industry. That connection largely came through Dallas Dempster, who helped assemble the group behind the casino and was himself a racehorse owner.

At the time, the Western Australian Turf Club welcomed the casino’s money with open arms. In hindsight, that decision was a mistake — a big one. The casino wasn’t really a partner; it was competition. It drew people away from the racetrack, reducing race-day attendance and siphoning betting dollars away from both the TAB and the on-course bookmakers.

Things changed even more when corporate bookmakers were allowed to operate openly in Australia. That move further spread punters’ money away from traditional betting channels. Then came Betfair, which turned the model on its head by allowing punters to effectively act as the bookmaker themselves.

Looking back, it’s hard not to think that governments at the time underestimated the long-term consequences. Policies allowed the casino to introduce games like Two-Up under conditions that seemed almost limitless — unless you were more than 200 kilometres away. At the same time, Western Australia maintained a ban on poker machines in pubs and clubs, something that remains unique compared with the eastern states.

Some people believe that decision limited the kind of entertainment venues available here. On the east coast, many RSLs and clubs rely heavily on pokies and offer a broader entertainment environment as a result.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of those policies, the impact on racing has been clear. These days, only a small handful of bookmakers still operate at race meetings, and many of them mostly handle smaller, casual bets at relatively high margins.

If current trends continue, it’s possible that by 2030 the traditional on-course bookmaker could almost disappear entirely. For long-time racing followers, that would mark the end of a colourful and historic part of the sport.

For punters, the landscape has changed dramatically — and it may change even more in the years ahead, When the Woke Police Take Control.

At that time Lotto will be your wishing well, Good luck to anyone still having a bet.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · March 14

I enjoy these trips down memory lane.

spinking · March 14

It was actually fun watching and listening to the battle that went on between the punters and satchel swingers in the old Ascot ring under the trees. When there actually was a ring. The general concensus seems to point to sky channel the phone and also to a degree the cost of a day out at the races that have contributed to a the demise of the on course bookie. No patrons no punters

bookielover · March 15

Thanks FC69, my favourite number by the way. You reminded me about our casino here in Melbourne and the fact that we are littered with poker machines everywhere. Obviously, that didn't help. I hate to think how many billions have been lost in those thieving pieces of cr@p. At least your WA government showed some intelligence by restricting them to the casino.

thefalcon · March 15

i was transferred sydney from 1973 to 1986....imagine the shock after coming from sleepy perth!

naturally i went to the races every month or so and always made a beeline to the big bookies to listen to some of the big bets..which scared the life out of me.

i saw packer one day go from rails bookie to rails bookie placing bets...naturally never heard them but what surprised me was that the bookies never seemed to change any price.

i passed packer on the randwick escalator...would have been the ugliest bloke i'd ever seen.

ah, the memories....kings cross in its heyday, sleazy clubs in oxford street...and i mean sleazy.

geez i loved sydney in those days...

sonny · March 16

I was around then..Hardly missed a meeting at the gallops and trots.. Great racing great betting ring and great atmosphere,,,

carey · March 16

Check this guy out @fewkes_josh on twitter.

Is RWWA really that pathetic?

Ngawyni · March 16

Wow! Is there another side to this story? RWWA has banned him from its retail outlets saying he no longer fits their “risk appetite”. There must be more to it?

carey · March 16

does not 'risk appetite' explain it?

If they let him on, then surely they have to pay him.

Perhaps they can ban him going forwards but how pissweak is it not to pay him those winnings.

meatpie · March 16

New rules for AML/ CTF came in March I think. Federal requirements. Might be wrong tho.

G'day Punter!

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