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Cobalt threshold of 200µg/L condones abuse?

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RodentRodent    7,470 posts
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/what-about-the-horses-say-vets-in-cobalt-debate-20150504-ggtq7c.html

A group of respected horse veterinarians from around Australia are dismayed at the direction the cobalt debate has taken.

They have contacted Fairfax Media to express their deep concerns over the misuse of cobalt and their fears of animal welfare. They contend that some sections of the racing media have allowed the Victorian trainers whose horses returned high cobalt readings to criticise Racing Victoria officials, even to the point of suggesting "entrapment".

The vets said: "What about the horse? Who is looking after the health and welfare of the horse?

"The real debate here is one of animal welfare and even perhaps animal cruelty."

They say there can be no doubt about the toxicity of cobalt as a heavy metal poison. "There is an actual case study from a brewery in Canada in the mid-1960s where cobalt was added to the beer which very quickly led to over 50 Quebec beer drinkers developing heart disease and 20 of these beer drinkers died.

"When the cobalt additive was stopped, so did the deaths and the brewery was closed down soon after." 

The group maintains chronic or long-term poisoning by cobalt, which is usually irreversible, is just  as important as the acute toxicity. The heavy metal accumulates in the body over time and can affect the brain, heart, liver and kidneys, they say.

They point to an article last month that reported a huge medical class action lawsuit in Australia involving cobalt. The report said thousands of patients who had had metal-on-metal hip replacements were claiming that the implants were leaching cobalt into local tissue and, as a result, were poisoning them. 

The companies that manufactured the implants were the subject of class actions in Australia and the US. 

The vets were at pains to point out that horses do not need cobalt and that there has never been any report of cobalt deficiency in horses.  

Cobalt is needed to produce vitamin B12, but a horse on a balanced diet gets enough dietary B12. However, if one wanted to supplement the horse, it would be appropriate to use vitamin B12 directly, not cobalt, they said.

"The Victorian and Australian threshold of 200 micrograms/litre urine represents cobalt in the body at toxic levels, as the normal level of cobalt is less than 10 mcg/litre. Cobalt has been widely identified as a blood doping agent which is why it is banned  in all sports, and also why it has come on to the radar of horseracing here and around  the world," they said.

"The human sports medicine community is constantly warning athletes of  the dangers of cobalt abuse; this means that a human athlete using cobalt has made a conscious decision to ignore these warnings in the pursuit of performance enhancement. Horses don't have that luxury.

"In racing we entrust animal welfare to the trainers and  their veterinarians. However, watching over are the racing regulators who need to step in when the system is failing the horse.This welfare role of racing regulators is non-negotiable. It is as important a role as that of looking after the integrity of racing and creating a level playing field. For without the regulators enforcing animal welfare, there is a chance it might get lost in the mire of gambling and winning."

The vets also questioned the source of cobalt as they believed it was implausible that cobalt readings over the Australian threshold of 200 mcg/litre could be achieved through the proper use of normal cobalt-containing supplements. 

They pointed to the recent case of disgraced trainer Darren Smith in NSW who  admitted using a "bootleg" cobalt supplement obtained from a warned-off harness racing identity.

There is also the ongoing investigation into the Victorian veterinary surgeon who has admitted to RV stewards that he bought cobalt, repackaged it in his "kitchen" and then provided it to between eight and 12 local horse trainers.

The idea that a  vet would supply non-proprietary cobalt to horse trainers to boost performance is  deeply troubling.

Cobalt first came to light in the United States in January 2014 via the online "Paulick  Report" from Kentucky. It detailed the banning of horses with high cobalt readings from the privately owned racetrack the Meadowlands and the ongoing investigation into seven cases of sudden death in one Californian thoroughbred racing stable.

More recently in the US, the Racing Medication and Testing Consortium announced a uniform threshold for cobalt across the US. The consortium consists of  leading chemists, pharmacologists, regulatory veterinarians and racetrack veterinarians from across the US horse racing industry.

Dr Rick Arthur, the RMTC secretary and California's equine medical director, said: "This proposal is designed to protect the health and welfare of the racehorse", and that the new plasma levels (25ppb) were exactly equivalent to the 100-200 international urine thresholds. However, Racing Commissioners International president Ed Martin went further and predicted that deliberate cobalt administration would be banned due to equine welfare concerns. The RCI is the law maker and the US equivalent of the Australian Racing  Board.

Martin cited complaints made to regulatory veterinarians in several jurisdictions that cobalt administration had caused distress and colic in horses, creating cramps, muscle twitching, sweating and pain. "We believe it is wrong to deliberately put a horse in discomfort with no compelling medical reason to treat the  horse," he said. "This issue is about the horse and not just about doping."   

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    This story only underlines the lack of attention given to this drug, the lack of real care shown by racing authorities, and one of the driving reasons why the sport staggers from one drug crisis to the next because we have such a softly softly approach to those who wish to seek an unfair advantage.

    It also underlines how vital it is for independent postmortem examination's of all horses that drop dead in and out of training from heart attack.
  • DesperadoDesperado    148 posts

    This story only underlines the lack of attention given to this drug, the lack of real care shown by racing authorities, and one of the driving reasons why the sport staggers from one drug crisis to the next because we have such a softly softly approach to those who wish to seek an unfair advantage.

    It also underlines how vital it is for independent postmortem examination's of all horses that drop dead in and out of training from heart attack.

    Damien are you shore your not getting on the band wagon to support your own agenda. Seriously did you consider cobalt a drug two year's ago. ?
  • SuperSnoopSuperSnoop    164 posts
    one of our own forum members stated on this forum that cobalt was being used widely. that was 18 months to 2 years ago.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    I don't know about having an agenda. Everyone talks about integrity but when does it get put under a microscope ? I see almost no evidence of inquiries into events or instances of interest, that ultimately protect the punting public, that other people on forums like this have called into disrepute. I see nothing published that is pro-active, only a declaration by Stewards that WA is Cobalt free when the positives were being found in the Eastern States.

    Two years ago I was happy to go along blissfully thinking that everything was in order and nobody was seeking to gain an advantage with anything. But consistently I heard things that made me laugh at how preposterous that suggestion was, and to my embarrassment, those suggestions have come true. Now the people saying stuff to me didn't know what the 'gear' was called, or who was using it, and to me it just sounded like a lot of sour grapes of people talking out of their kick.  But it turns out that there was something.

    So now today we have people who like to have a bet with confidence, saying that our product is less than that. Turnover is down some folks say as a result. Certainly in real numbers, people don't go to the races anymore, less people come to sales in WA, even less horses are being bred this season as the Industry  becomes less sustainable.

    Now this is not the fault of just Cobalt scandals, but it doesn't bloody help. It appears to me, and RWWA can educate me differently if they like, but it appears that they operate in hindsight, doing almost nothing to prevent, and when they do get a positive from an ever shrinking pool of samples due to cost cutting, the offenders are allowed to come up with ludicrous declarations of how it happened.

    Real honest Trainers, are there are plenty of them in WA, who wouldn't dream of looking for the next wonder drug because it is not in their nature to try to seek an unfair advantage, now despair at the future of the Racing Industry, because the lights are on but nobody is home.
  • DesperadoDesperado    148 posts
    Damien I asked you if you considered cobalt to be a drug two years ago. That was an elaborate answer but you didn't answer the question. I would say like like the trainers that used cobalt you didn't consider it a drug so stop bagging the people (indusrtry)you are truing to scratch an existence out of.
  • rickrick    487 posts
    Desperado said:

    Damien I asked you if you considered cobalt to be a drug two years ago. That was an elaborate answer but you didn't answer the question. I would say like like the trainers that used cobalt you didn't consider it a drug so stop bagging the people (indusrtry)you are truing to scratch an existence out of.


  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    edited May 2015
    Desperado said:

    Damien I asked you if you considered cobalt to be a drug two years ago. That was an elaborate answer but you didn't answer the question. I would say like like the trainers that used cobalt you didn't consider it a drug so stop bagging the people (indusrtry)you are truing to scratch an existence out of.

    When a drug or an additive is offered to anyone, wouldn't you ask 'so what does it do?' I can only assume a follow up question would be 'are there any known side effects?' and even 'Is it approved for use ?'

    If you step outside of Horse Racing for a moment, and think about say Olympic competition, what would be the chances of an additive or manufactured substance being allowed into competition without prior approval ? Even an aspirin can land a competitor into strife.

    What I am strongly suggesting, is that if it walks like a duck, then it is most likely a duck.

    If I had a licence and was handed something too good to be true, I would ring someone and ask for a legal position on it's use. But that is just me. What other people do is their business, but don't try to create a defense of ignorance, so that makes it all OK.
  • DesperadoDesperado    148 posts
    Damiem nearly every mineral supplement trainers farmers feed there animals contain cobalt. Before mineral supplements were commercially made and still today trainers were going out the bush collecting termite mounds which are rich in trace elements like cobalt. why do you keep trying to put the industry your trying to make a buck out of into disrepute?
  • JayJayJayJay    8,624 posts
    Cobalt, or Blue Magic, or whatever else you want to call it, has been around a lot longer than 18 months or 2 years....a helluva lot longer.
  • rickrick    487 posts
    Desperado said:

    Damiem nearly every mineral supplement trainers farmers feed there animals contain cobalt. Before mineral supplements were commercially made and still today trainers were going out the bush collecting termite mounds which are rich in trace elements like cobalt. why do you keep trying to put the industry your trying to make a buck out of into disrepute?


  • The_BullThe_Bull    929 posts
    There is absolutely no cobalt in termite mounds. I brought some home from Broome this year and had it analysed to try and figure why horses liked it so much. When I get the chance I will post up the lab analysis results.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    Desperado said:

    Damiem nearly every mineral supplement trainers farmers feed there animals contain cobalt. Before mineral supplements were commercially made and still today trainers were going out the bush collecting termite mounds which are rich in trace elements like cobalt. why do you keep trying to put the industry your trying to make a buck out of into disrepute?

    So there is nothing to see here and anyone who may have recorded an abnormal level of cobalt in testing was simply a victim of circumstance ?

    That is easy enough to understand then.

    Can I also ask, if you perceive my comments as being negative towards the Racing Industry, what level of commentary would not be other than to have no comment at all ? Would it be better if reports like this one linked to this thread, were never given the light of day and openly discussed ?

    If we can establish that, the next time a Trainer or an Owner laments to me in casual conversation about a level playing field, I will just tell them your definition as my opinion is clearly at odds with yours.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts

    I have a feeling that some trainers were using cobalt and had no idea it was cobalt, it was just the next best thing.....How naive are they??

    It was just the next additive that seems to be getting results....and lets not forget that some cobalt importation has been linked to WA "vets" already. So it was here, but no-one was using it???? pleeeeeasse

  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    The_Bull said:

    There is absolutely no cobalt in termite mounds. I brought some home from Broome this year and had it analysed to try and figure why horses liked it so much. When I get the chance I will post up the lab analysis results.

    Thats interesting. What do you mean by horses like them so much? Do they chomp on them? Genuinely interested :-?
  • SuperSnoopSuperSnoop    164 posts
    Desperado said:

    Damiem nearly every mineral supplement trainers farmers feed there animals contain cobalt. Before mineral supplements were commercially made and still today trainers were going out the bush collecting termite mounds which are rich in trace elements like cobalt. why do you keep trying to put the industry your trying to make a buck out of into disrepute?

    bicarb is easily bought from the supermarket too but tubing a horse with it is illegal.
    whats your point?
    eveyone knew the threshold and the date of the cutoff. if you were over on that date, you were cheating.
    dont make the defence that you didnt know it was building up in your horse. the reason you used it was to get an advantage. 

  • The_BullThe_Bull    929 posts
    Bomber. They absolutely smash them. Gave me nightmares watching ours. Looked like a colic bill waiting to happen. But itnever hurt them and kept them happy. The old boys swear bythem...

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    wouldn't it be mainly sand? or is the saliva,ablution traces of the termites that are delicious?
    they'd not eat the termites?
  • The_BullThe_Bull    929 posts
    What you all need to understand is that no amount of oral supplements will put you over the threshold. It is my understanding that a horse will only absorb as much as it needs from anything given orally. The trainers that have run foul of the rules have been injecting supplements IV. I'm told that giving VAM IV 3 times in the week leading up to a race will put you over 200. Trainers have been using VAM for years. I really don't know what to make of it all. It's not as cut and dry as everyone thinks.

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  • The_BullThe_Bull    929 posts
    You don't feed the termites to em Falc =)) Just the disused mounds.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    yeah I knew they wouldn't chomp on termites.... :))
    be interesting to know what the attraction is...as I said probably left over bodily secretions..could not be much else.
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited May 2015
    The_Bull said:

    Bomber. They absolutely smash them. Gave me nightmares watching ours. Looked like a colic bill waiting to happen. But itnever hurt them and kept them happy. The old boys swear bythem...

    I ve got a yearling here that absolutely loves it. She goes at it like a bull at a gate. Same as you I was thinking 'oh oh' another donation to the vets super fund or she is about to get a snout full of ants.

    Neither has seemed to happen so far. Interestingly others I have had in the same paddock have shown no interest

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  • The_BullThe_Bull    929 posts
    edited May 2015
    Funny enough Falc, our vet is of the same opinion ;)
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    logical answer....i'm no :(|)

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    you guys should have a taste..i think I would....then u would think I was a :(|) :))
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited May 2015
    I'll bring some up to the track Falc :(|)'s 1st =))
  • DesperadoDesperado    148 posts
    The_Bull said:

    There is absolutely no cobalt in termite mounds. I brought some home from Broome this year and had it analysed to try and figure why horses liked it so much. When I get the chance I will post up the lab analysis results.

    When you get time Bull can you post those results I would be interested to read them. I know the termite nest around the west swan area has a high level of it
  • runyonrunyon    576 posts
    Some of you might have heard or read this before but in an International Study they tested 10300 post race urine samples including horses receiving cobalt supplements. Australia wasn't included because they thought it would skew the results.
    The lowest reading was 0.1mcg/L, the highest was 78mcg/L and the average 5.3mcg/L.
    A 200mcg/L threshold seems pretty generous.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    runyon said:

    Some of you might have heard or read this before but in an International Study they tested 10300 post race urine samples including horses receiving cobalt supplements. Australia wasn't included because they thought it would skew the results.
    The lowest reading was 0.1mcg/L, the highest was 78mcg/L and the average 5.3mcg/L.
    A 200mcg/L threshold seems pretty generous.

    NSW have forecast that in the future the threshold will be lowered perhaps by half
  • AquanitaAquanita    566 posts
    Hong Kong has a threshold of 100 mcg/L and there are still those peddling the theory that 200 can be reached by normal supplement feeding.

    Give us a break, get rid of the cheats.

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  • runyonrunyon    576 posts
    Yeah I think they're are aiming at 100mcg/L as an international standard.
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