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OK from the get go I just want to ask how many people had trouble even finding the 7Plus chanel? Are there any ratings? Can we find out how many viewers watch 7Plus coverage of WA racing? And how much is it costing RWWA or Whoever is paying for it?  That said How Old is the Format Already for the 7Plus WA raceday coverage?  I have a friend that watched for 1 hour recently and they became bored with the same continuous 4 advertisers about stud farms or agistment venues and Not 1 of them had a tree in a paddock? Plenty of trees Around the paddocks None in the paddocks?? Horses swishing tails and shaking heads from fly invasion! And the 7Plus Poorly produced Lame Stories about some lucky or luckless racing game person, is this TV Entertainment or just an extension of Post race Interviews where the participants firstly the trainer says something Condescending about the horse, he or she rarely even mention the horses name and somehow they have Miraculously solved All it's She or He's problems and got it to Run Fast. Then something patronising about the little person, like he's a good little rider this bloke or this girl and it gets even funnier when some Obese trainer who has never ridden a horse says they rode it Exactly to my instructions, Then the little person gets to say something complimentary or condescending about the horse then, similarly they also managed to tame this wild beast and make it run fast something No Other rider could have done LOL. I think you can see where this is heading How may Punters are hanging on Every Word??? My Guess NONE! So lets just see Vision of the horses walking around the mounting yard including their legs not just some half random shot while the genius tipster tells us every stat about about why they can or can't win, Let us punters just see a good wide shot like hong kong without any comments just a bit of light music and we'll do our own due diligence Because the genius's are tipping the Favorite in 85% of the races and Furthermore the genius's are religiously tipping 15% of the winners that's 2 out of 8. If the tipsters are that smart wouldn't they be backing Every winner making a fortune and Not Boring or Annoying the Crap out of real Punters? Let me know your thoughts Punters? on Perth Turf talk
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  • bookieloverbookielover    2,709 posts
    Welcome to the forum.
    You summed it up very nicely. I don't know how old you are, but what you described has been par for the course on all coverage of racing in this country be it radio or tv for as long as I can remember and that's more than 65 years. It's the same cr@p every time. 

    What you did leave out, perhaps it's not on 7 Plus which living in Melbourne I have but don't watch, is the bull dust fluctuations that are quoted by imbeciles like Simon Marshall on behalf of Sportsbet or another imbecile who gives them on behalf of Ladbrokes, when either are sponsoring the racing on the racing. com. Channel. The fluctuations give out on Sky racing are no better.They are nothing more than touts as they called them back in the day, doing all they can to get you to part with more of your hard earned. 

    I remember back in the 80s when I was home on a Saturday to help my boss with our kids, watching channel 9 wide world of sports. They would cover a few races live from Sydney and go down to the betting ring where Con Kafataris a leading rails bookie would detail some actual bets and tell the viewers what were the best backed. That was mail you could rely on if you decided to back another horse aside from the one you already backed. 

    The bottom line is, that they have a lot of space to fill especially if they are only covering one meeting. 

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  • watchinguwatchingu    43 posts
    Figures ive been told that it cost well into the millions , as there aint any advertising so i assume theres no return . Another reason the joints broke and a cut in Stakes coming ??? they've ruined the radio how long will the tv keep going ?

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,320 posts
    I think the Aust pre race mounting yard discussion/previews are absolutely rubbish 

    And any gallops preview bloke who says quote " Look this thing is a big bold strong type " they should be instantly terminated , no holiday pay super or anything , just throw them to the shiithouse .

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  • Precision1Precision1    585 posts
    I think of you are going to have a go at tv coverage and how it’s formatted etc then you probably should understand the concept of a paragraph yourself……….


  • FairCraic69FairCraic69    80 posts
    Some Positive Comments and we always get 1 woke one
  • mattymatty    57 posts
    You make some great points . If you are going to do the tv the adds need to be not repetitive and have an editor!
    The Winning Rupert add is a beauty. A majestic horse galloping through horse shit in his paddock!

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  • FairCraic69FairCraic69    80 posts
    Yes the Winning Rupert is a bewdy who is the clown doing the voice over Double You Double You Double You Dot Sounds like a sped LOL
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,969 posts
    Several years ago I used to track all the tips of the media personnel and it was lucky if some of them broke even, for the most part, that was when they were having a good day. I'm just talking winners. Follow the advice of what is being served up by so called experts and you will go broke real fast. 

    Ironically, over at the Casino where I worked for a brief time, there were stringent rules regarding wagering advice from employees to patrons. Read zero. Yet it seems to be acceptable with no consequence that give someone a microphone and a form guide and they vomit strategic information about how you can invest your money. 

    So yes strongly agree with watching the horses parade with the sound off.
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,435 posts
    In UK there is a table that tracks leading newspaper tipsters NAP (Natural As Possible). Best results so far are up 15 and up 11 then 7 6 6 4 4 4 for a level stake. From 50 tipsters only 8 are in credit
  • psychopsycho    875 posts
    I have said on here before, so I'll be short. It's very hard for the majority of tipsters to generate a profit as they quite often tip very early (Thursday). Conditions on the day can vary a great deal (Wind, Track Bias, Betting Flucs, Rain and even seeing their tips in the mounting yard to just name a couple) which these tipsters would not have access too. They (most) have to tip on every race whether they would want to or not, when in actual fact they may only punt on 2, 3 or 4 races. The tipsters who should "perhaps" be generating a profit are the people in the mounting who tip 2-4 mins before a race as they have all the info that the early tipsters do not have access to. Just my opinion and I'll stick to it

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  • watchinguwatchingu    43 posts
    The great tip off records all public tipsters 
  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Worst thing a mate said don't listen to sky your head will ring with name Marto, he reckon if you got ten cents for everytime  they say  yer marto  no marto after 12months you could go to the Maldives
  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,320 posts
    edited January 4
    I think from an entertainment point of view ( possibly because it is on at night ) but the coverage of Hong Kong i think is pretty good 

    Youve got that Jenny who is easy to listen to she gives her comments of each when in the mounting yard  then you have nice shots of the horses when they are parading 

    There are no comedians or smart aarse types which Aust coverage is full of , i could sit back for an hour or so at night and watch the HK coverage and have a few bets and find it quite pleasurable 

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,435 posts
    edited January 4
    Markovina said:

    Youve got that Jenny 

    Jenny Chapman has been there for an eternity. Former jockey in Australia for a short time and I think she was married to or related to trainer Dr Geoff Chapman

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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,008 posts
    psycho said:

    I have said on here before, so I'll be short. It's very hard for the majority of tipsters to generate a profit as they quite often tip very early (Thursday). Conditions on the day can vary a great deal (Wind, Track Bias, Betting Flucs, Rain and even seeing their tips in the mounting yard to just name a couple) which these tipsters would not have access too. They (most) have to tip on every race whether they would want to or not, when in actual fact they may only punt on 2, 3 or 4 races. The tipsters who should "perhaps" be generating a profit are the people in the mounting who tip 2-4 mins before a race as they have all the info that the early tipsters do not have access to. Just my opinion and I'll stick to it




    I was listening to a chat with a pro punter a few years back and he was discussing how as a punter he is lucky in that he doesnt have to be right all the time - he can skip races, doesnt even have to do every race if he doesnt feel like it he just had to be right often enough on that one horse in that one race he choses to have a bet.

    Where as a bookie - particularly one going first to market has to be right on every horse in every race!

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,435 posts
    edited January 5
    Tracking back a fair few years I fancied the younger Jenny Chapman and I am certain she would have loved the younger version of me  :x :x

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  • psychopsycho    875 posts

    Tracking back a fair few years I fancied the younger Jenny Chapman and I am certain she would have loved the younger version of me  :x :x

    Only if she had laryngitis
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,435 posts
    Close because I think she is or was a smoker
  • FairCraic69FairCraic69    80 posts

    Love all the banter Fellow Perth Turf Talk Punters, you have all thrown in your sixpence worth over the Tipster Fiasco, Question does it have any regulation? do the people who employ the tipsters have any clue? How do these pre and post-race people "That’s the best way I can word it" They are not MC's or Comperes they are just talking heads, how are they selected for the job is it a Church or Linkedin or CEO's Club thing? None of them from what I see are former jockeys, trainers or bookies, although some are relatives of the same they just seem to be in that Social circle then they bob up, one in particularly a Little dapper Dan let's call him Dickie "Ooh You Are Awful... But I Like You!" He can quote you when the horse was beaten 4 starts ago the wind direction on the day, if the horse was late on course because the driver went the wrong way to the track, the temperature at the time the race was run, if the jockey had a toothache, what the trainer wore was it the powder blue pinstripe lucky suit or another ensemble, and has the horse not missed the start by a 1/4 of a length may have run 5th and Not 8th as its numerically shown in your book, Crikey Dickie Too Much Information, then you want to bore the **** out of us after the race with the post-race interview with a numpty trainer who didn’t finish Rockingham High School, impart on us a load of crap where NO PUNTER IS HANGING ON ANY WORD! Then the jockey and if it wins an 1100, 1200, 1300, or 1400 they ask do you think it will Get a Mile? Only Clever response I ever heard to this Continuously asked question was when Lindsey smith said Why do they pay more for a Mile or for winning margins... Onya Lindsey some light relief from the cringe worthy interviewer. Here's another gem for Free. Silks are the white Pants worn by riders they are Not The shirt worn by riders that would be called Colours, however the uninformed Race Callers and pre and Post race people keep calling Colours Silks WRONG Get Informed. Now let’s move on to the so called Good Horse Trainers, but 1st lets Go Back think of the 60's & 70's Blokes like Jack Kirkpatrick and the 70's & 80s Buster O'Malley Good Trainers who could produce a horse first up over any distance and declare it and back it, they regularly landed plunges with average horses and in Busters case Long Before Laurie Connell came on the scene, I also think of what I consider the Greatest Training Performance of All time when in 1999 King Of Saxony won the Perth Cup over 2 Miles 1st up No Shoes Unshod, carrying a tendon issue, ridden by arguably the Best Money rider the state had seen since JJ Miller the question is who trained it JJ, Kay or Raymond Miller form his home in Casuarina... So good was the performance he beat 'Top Jockey Troy Turner' on Rogan Josh who later that year won The Melbourne Cup, I can’t believe Someone hasn't made a Movie about that story, forget Media Puzzle, or Prince of Penzance, allegedly one of those was a Boatie and the other had a bit of treadmill assistance. Good Horse Trainers, used to feed Corn, Oats & Cooked Barley & Linseed and work them hard Until they knew they were fit, Nowadays So Called good Horse trainers feed them out of a pre mixed bag this was the brainchild of John Hawkes who ,had horses in 4 different states and didn’t want them fed differently in each state So in discussion with his owners the Chicken Kings The Ingham Brothers Bob n Jack he said hey you mix feed to make chickens grow an inch a week for 16 weeks before they go to market, can you design a food for horses So they did and Mita Vite was born. Now all the So Called good trainers feed out of a bag, and Trial a horse 1, 2 3, or 4 times because they Can't tell if a Horse is fit enough to back 1st up. Ok let rip PTT Peeps I'd like to hear your thoughts on these topics Fair Craic 69


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  • careycarey    6,424 posts

    Several years ago I used to track all the tips of the media personnel and it was lucky if some of them broke even, for the most part, that was when they were having a good day. I'm just talking winners. Follow the advice of what is being served up by so called experts and you will go broke real fast. 


    Ironically, over at the Casino where I worked for a brief time, there were stringent rules regarding wagering advice from employees to patrons. Read zero. Yet it seems to be acceptable with no consequence that give someone a microphone and a form guide and they vomit strategic information about how you can invest your money. 

    So yes strongly agree with watching the horses parade with the sound off.
    Nobody is forcing them to back those horses that the touts talk up.
    Australia's once biggest tote punter(Wyongi on this forum), made a living by betting against those 'experts'

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,435 posts
    edited January 6
    FairCraic 69 quote..... "Ooh You Are Awful... But I Like You!"  

    Some good stories and humour content FairCraiq including that quote from comedian Dick Emery. Media Puzzle wasn't a boat race but your comment on Pirates is more accurate and I was never convinced about Saxony. The name Raymond Miller brings back some memories but best left there. O'Malley Connell..... Harper Willis. Others could be mentioned.

    You talk about trainers who could produce a horse first up over any distance and declare it. Through my line of work at the time George Way tipped me at least 8 weeks in advance three that all won and one started at 14s. Big pay day that was for me.

    Your comment on Rockingham High School though in jest is a slur against 3 of my ex girlfriends from years gone by. Fine young women. :x

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts

    Markovina said:

    Youve got that Jenny 

    Jenny Chapman has been there for an eternity. Former jockey in Australia for a short time and I think she was married to or related to trainer Dr Geoff Chapman
    No, she was the daughter of Kel Chapman, a well known Caulfield trainer in the day.

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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Love how they give you 1st 2nd 3rd in tips and why.
    Skip over the eventual winner with comment looking for something easier Marto all in three seconds,

    Then after race it has sailed down the outside to win at 20/1.Allocation time increases to --30-50 seconds--
    ,Marto you could have easily been on the winner on its last start after having six week break was caught 3&4 wide on hot speed just kept wacking away beaten less then 2 lengths today, found surface to suit as well likes to get its toe into the ground, plus its won twice previously fourth up
    Yer Marto it wasn't a hard find.
  • spinkingspinking    3,998 posts
    Think you put yourself in the same class as the tipsters your bemoaning saying MP Melbourne cup was a boat race please
  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    edited January 7
    Fair Crac. your all over it. Had little chuckle.
    Legendary Harness Driver Trainer Brain Hancock featured in tape on how and why he feed his horses he used Jimmy crack corn, Pollard lurcene, rolled oats,etc why it was good for them and his success was centred around it.We are talking someone was involved in winning of 6 Interdomions

    Quite few years later all my success was based on Mitavite you can buy bags iany where in Australia& NZ. Horses love it.

    1989 Interdomion in Perth there was leading Swiss authority who gave a talk on blood profiles and latest beneficial analysis and trends.Ray Miller was in crowd discussing with what he knew and believed, sounded feasible to me.
  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,320 posts

    Fair Crac. your all over it. Had little chuckle.
    Legendary Harness Driver Trainer Brain Hancock featured in tape on how and why he feed his horses he used Jimmy crack corn, Pollard lurcene, rolled oats,etc why it was good for them and his success was centred around it.We are talking someone was involved in winning of 6 Interdomions

    Quite few years later all my success was based on Mitavite you can buy bags iany where in Australia& NZ. Horses love it.

    1989 Interdomion in Perth there was leading Swiss authority who gave a talk on blood profiles and latest beneficial analysis and trends.Ray Miller was in crowd discussing with what he knew and believed, sounded feasible to me.

    Re feeding horses - in the 1979 Aust Harness Horse May mth edition magazine ( which i recently bought ) there is a bit of a humourous add ( qtr page ) maybe they are still using this stuff - theres 5 interstate distibutors listed

    So there is a cartoon picture of this worried looking horse - just its head - along the lines of a cartoon picture of Albo or John Howard back in the day

    " New Ringer Nuro-Equine Calms Nerves "

    " This new preparation for horses has been proved effective for the treatment of fractiousness and most nervous conditions , bad habits caused by nerves and pre race jitters . The remarkable Nuro-Equine also aids training and permits sustained and vigorous racing and aids concentration and reduces distraction . The compounds used in the formulation of Ringer Nuro-Equine are not swabbed for when given orally under the present rules of racing "
  • silkysilky    430 posts
    Horse feed nowadays is a very similar quality to human feed as in most of the processed shit people buy from the supermarket causes gut damage and diabetes. In horses, it shows up as stomach ulcers and laminitis. I blame a lot of it on the increased use of glyphosate on cereal crops over the last 50yrs

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  • FlandersFlanders    1,405 posts
    FairCraic reminds me of someone from the distant past here on PTT

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  • FairCraic69FairCraic69    80 posts
    You Mean Previously in the Past dont you Riley I mean Flanders DOH
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