Pet hates in Racing

psycho · September 2023

What's everybodys pet hate in racing ? No matter what we all have at least one

To start OFF mine is winning posts that are bigger than your average block of flats ! An example today was Murray Bridge races, another is Canberra races when they're on, not much smaller. So bloody hard to tell when your horse gets to the finish line

spinking · September 2023

Losing

lick · September 2023

Time between races - 4 hour meeting for 12 minutes of racing.

Bobcat · September 2023

NSW and VIC running 3 minutes late and still on sky1.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · September 2023

Barriers that prove a barrier to races being run

bookielover · September 2023

Mine happened just yesterday.

Mate of mine tipped me his horse at Moe yesterday. Said it can't beat the fave {which started at $1.20 and won by 6 lengths}, but it should run a place.

So I had 10% of my bet for a win, just in case, after all, Ajax got beaten in 3 horse field at 1/33, and 90% for the place.

I had to do a message for the missus, and I'm in the car when the race is on.

It's a 1200 metre race. The caller calls the whole field as they settle down. Runs through them again at the 800, calls the first 4 runners at the 400 and says that mine is 5 lengths behind the fourth horse, then as they approach the turn, the fave moves up and gives them windburn. The caller has an orgasm, so much so, that for the last 250 metres, it's the only horse he mentions in the call.

Farque the punters who have backed horses for the place, quinellas, trifectas, trios, and first fours. They don't need to know where their horse is.

He obviously doesn't follow the Bill Collins school of race calling. As Bill once told me, I call them as if I'm calling to a blind person. This bloke, like most of them in similar circumstances, when a horse is 5 lengths in front with 100 or more metres to go, thinks that everyone is watching, and can see what's happening, and the rest of the field are irrelevant.

He works for a racing RADIO station. Obviously, it never entered his or other callers minds, to ask the question, why do they have them if everyone is watching?.

Anyway, my horse got up to run second, so I'm not talking through my kick. But until he decided to go back to what was happening with the rest of the field, I had no idea and had given up on it.

Obviously, if I'm home watching, I would have seen that it was coming home and was at least going to run a place.

I understand that race calling is a tough business. I couldn't do it, neither can millions of others.

However, if you are going to go into a race calling career, aside from the obvious requirements that your chosen career necessitates, if you are lucky enough to get a job, call the races as if, as Bill Collins said, everyone is blind.

I sit and watch a lot of races, and it's happening every day, in particular when a horse bolts away from the rest of the field. That horse becomes the sole focus of the caller, and the punter is forgotten. It's not good enough, and there is no excuse for it.

loose_goose · September 2023

bookielover said:
Mine happened just yesterday.

Mate of mine tipped me his horse at Moe yesterday. Said it can't beat the fave {which started at $1.20 and won by 6 lengths}, but it should run a place.

So I had 10% of my bet for a win, just in case, after all, Ajax got beaten in 3 horse field at 1/33, and 90% for the place.

I had to do a message for the missus, and I'm in the car when the race is on.

It's a 1200 metre race. The caller calls the whole field as they settle down. Runs through them again at the 800, calls the first 4 runners at the 400 and says that mine is 5 lengths behind the fourth horse, then as they approach the turn, the fave moves up and gives them windburn. The caller has an orgasm, so much so, that for the last 250 metres, it's the only horse he mentions in the call.

Farque the punters who have backed horses for the place, quinellas, trifectas, trios, and first fours. They don't need to know where their horse is.

He obviously doesn't follow the Bill Collins school of race calling. As Bill once told me, I call them as if I'm calling to a blind person. This bloke, like most of them in similar circumstances, when a horse is 5 lengths in front with 100 or more metres to go, thinks that everyone is watching, and can see what's happening, and the rest of the field are irrelevant.

He works for a racing RADIO station. Obviously, it never entered his or other callers minds, to ask the question, why do they have them if everyone is watching?.

Anyway, my horse got up to run second, so I'm not talking through my kick. But until he decided to go back to what was happening with the rest of the field, I had no idea and had given up on it.

Obviously, if I'm home watching, I would have seen that it was coming home and was at least going to run a place.

I understand that race calling is a tough business. I couldn't do it, neither can millions of others.

However, if you are going to go into a race calling career, aside from the obvious requirements that your chosen career necessitates, if you are lucky enough to get a job, call the races as if, as Bill Collins said, everyone is blind.

I sit and watch a lot of races, and it's happening every day, in particular when a horse bolts away from the rest of the field. That horse becomes the sole focus of the caller, and the punter is forgotten. It's not good enough, and there is no excuse for it.

For me as I listen to more on Audio than watching live, they should be calling 1. Course/Radio first 2. TV second.

Thunderstruck · September 2023

I reckon your referring to Everett BL, I backed her too for the place only.Carleen had a chequered passage in the run but it finished off quite nicely.

But I get your point as even though i watched it he didn't call the other one until it hit the line flashing into 2nd.

Chris · September 2023

Mine is inexplicable form turnarounds in country and rural.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · September 2023

Maley's What Shout is classic example.

Thinking...I've run second last in a maiden at outer back Junction but hey I think this will be a good chance up in class at Belmont

:-O

bookielover · October 2023

Thunderstruck said:
I reckon your referring to Everett BL, I backed her too for the place only.Carleen had a chequered passage in the run but it finished off quite nicely.

But I get your point as even though i watched it he didn't call the other one until it hit the line flashing into 2nd.

That's the one Thunder.

At least, because you were watching, and the trainers colours, white with the red sash, are distinctive, so you could see it in the run, and would have seen it flashing home. I, and the other listener's had no idea.

I'll give credit to Matt Hill, who seems to understand that placegetters are just as important as the 5 lenght, streaking away winner. He'll still cakll the ones fighting out the placings.

meatpie · October 2023

loose_goose said:

bookielover said:
Mine happened just yesterday.

Mate of mine tipped me his horse at Moe yesterday. Said it can't beat the fave {which started at $1.20 and won by 6 lengths}, but it should run a place.

So I had 10% of my bet for a win, just in case, after all, Ajax got beaten in 3 horse field at 1/33, and 90% for the place.

I had to do a message for the missus, and I'm in the car when the race is on.

It's a 1200 metre race. The caller calls the whole field as they settle down. Runs through them again at the 800, calls the first 4 runners at the 400 and says that mine is 5 lengths behind the fourth horse, then as they approach the turn, the fave moves up and gives them windburn. The caller has an orgasm, so much so, that for the last 250 metres, it's the only horse he mentions in the call.

Farque the punters who have backed horses for the place, quinellas, trifectas, trios, and first fours. They don't need to know where their horse is.

He obviously doesn't follow the Bill Collins school of race calling. As Bill once told me, I call them as if I'm calling to a blind person. This bloke, like most of them in similar circumstances, when a horse is 5 lengths in front with 100 or more metres to go, thinks that everyone is watching, and can see what's happening, and the rest of the field are irrelevant.

He works for a racing RADIO station. Obviously, it never entered his or other callers minds, to ask the question, why do they have them if everyone is watching?.

Anyway, my horse got up to run second, so I'm not talking through my kick. But until he decided to go back to what was happening with the rest of the field, I had no idea and had given up on it.

Obviously, if I'm home watching, I would have seen that it was coming home and was at least going to run a place.

I understand that race calling is a tough business. I couldn't do it, neither can millions of others.

However, if you are going to go into a race calling career, aside from the obvious requirements that your chosen career necessitates, if you are lucky enough to get a job, call the races as if, as Bill Collins said, everyone is blind.

I sit and watch a lot of races, and it's happening every day, in particular when a horse bolts away from the rest of the field. That horse becomes the sole focus of the caller, and the punter is forgotten. It's not good enough, and there is no excuse for it.

For me as I listen to more on Audio than watching live, they should be calling 1. Course/Radio first 2. TV second.

Belittling and as usual lacking context.

it was the young callers first ever call on Racing.com and SKY, did a great job and will only get better.

Pathetic.

meatpie · October 2023

bookielover said:
Mine happened just yesterday.

Mate of mine tipped me his horse at Moe yesterday. Said it can't beat the fave {which started at $1.20 and won by 6 lengths}, but it should run a place.

So I had 10% of my bet for a win, just in case, after all, Ajax got beaten in 3 horse field at 1/33, and 90% for the place.

I had to do a message for the missus, and I'm in the car when the race is on.

It's a 1200 metre race. The caller calls the whole field as they settle down. Runs through them again at the 800, calls the first 4 runners at the 400 and says that mine is 5 lengths behind the fourth horse, then as they approach the turn, the fave moves up and gives them windburn. The caller has an orgasm, so much so, that for the last 250 metres, it's the only horse he mentions in the call.

Farque the punters who have backed horses for the place, quinellas, trifectas, trios, and first fours. They don't need to know where their horse is.

He obviously doesn't follow the Bill Collins school of race calling. As Bill once told me, I call them as if I'm calling to a blind person. This bloke, like most of them in similar circumstances, when a horse is 5 lengths in front with 100 or more metres to go, thinks that everyone is watching, and can see what's happening, and the rest of the field are irrelevant.

He works for a racing RADIO station. Obviously, it never entered his or other callers minds, to ask the question, why do they have them if everyone is watching?.

Anyway, my horse got up to run second, so I'm not talking through my kick. But until he decided to go back to what was happening with the rest of the field, I had no idea and had given up on it.

Obviously, if I'm home watching, I would have seen that it was coming home and was at least going to run a place.

I understand that race calling is a tough business. I couldn't do it, neither can millions of others.

However, if you are going to go into a race calling career, aside from the obvious requirements that your chosen career necessitates, if you are lucky enough to get a job, call the races as if, as Bill Collins said, everyone is blind.

I sit and watch a lot of races, and it's happening every day, in particular when a horse bolts away from the rest of the field. That horse becomes the sole focus of the caller, and the punter is forgotten. It's not good enough, and there is no excuse for it.

Belittling and as usual lacking context

It was the young callers first ever call on Racing.com and SKY, did a great job and will only get better.

Pathetic

meatpie · October 2023

loose_goose said:

bookielover said:
Mine happened just yesterday.

Mate of mine tipped me his horse at Moe yesterday. Said it can't beat the fave {which started at $1.20 and won by 6 lengths}, but it should run a place.

So I had 10% of my bet for a win, just in case, after all, Ajax got beaten in 3 horse field at 1/33, and 90% for the place.

I had to do a message for the missus, and I'm in the car when the race is on.

It's a 1200 metre race. The caller calls the whole field as they settle down. Runs through them again at the 800, calls the first 4 runners at the 400 and says that mine is 5 lengths behind the fourth horse, then as they approach the turn, the fave moves up and gives them windburn. The caller has an orgasm, so much so, that for the last 250 metres, it's the only horse he mentions in the call.

Farque the punters who have backed horses for the place, quinellas, trifectas, trios, and first fours. They don't need to know where their horse is.

He obviously doesn't follow the Bill Collins school of race calling. As Bill once told me, I call them as if I'm calling to a blind person. This bloke, like most of them in similar circumstances, when a horse is 5 lengths in front with 100 or more metres to go, thinks that everyone is watching, and can see what's happening, and the rest of the field are irrelevant.

He works for a racing RADIO station. Obviously, it never entered his or other callers minds, to ask the question, why do they have them if everyone is watching?.

Anyway, my horse got up to run second, so I'm not talking through my kick. But until he decided to go back to what was happening with the rest of the field, I had no idea and had given up on it.

Obviously, if I'm home watching, I would have seen that it was coming home and was at least going to run a place.

I understand that race calling is a tough business. I couldn't do it, neither can millions of others.

However, if you are going to go into a race calling career, aside from the obvious requirements that your chosen career necessitates, if you are lucky enough to get a job, call the races as if, as Bill Collins said, everyone is blind.

I sit and watch a lot of races, and it's happening every day, in particular when a horse bolts away from the rest of the field. That horse becomes the sole focus of the caller, and the punter is forgotten. It's not good enough, and there is no excuse for it.

For me as I listen to more on Audio than watching live, they should be calling 1. Course/Radio first 2. TV second.

Apologies Loose, got wrong quote and effed up edit.

bookielover · October 2023

meatpie said:

loose_goose said:

bookielover said:
Mine happened just yesterday.

Mate of mine tipped me his horse at Moe yesterday. Said it can't beat the fave {which started at $1.20 and won by 6 lengths}, but it should run a place.

So I had 10% of my bet for a win, just in case, after all, Ajax got beaten in 3 horse field at 1/33, and 90% for the place.

I had to do a message for the missus, and I'm in the car when the race is on.

It's a 1200 metre race. The caller calls the whole field as they settle down. Runs through them again at the 800, calls the first 4 runners at the 400 and says that mine is 5 lengths behind the fourth horse, then as they approach the turn, the fave moves up and gives them windburn. The caller has an orgasm, so much so, that for the last 250 metres, it's the only horse he mentions in the call.

Farque the punters who have backed horses for the place, quinellas, trifectas, trios, and first fours. They don't need to know where their horse is.

He obviously doesn't follow the Bill Collins school of race calling. As Bill once told me, I call them as if I'm calling to a blind person. This bloke, like most of them in similar circumstances, when a horse is 5 lengths in front with 100 or more metres to go, thinks that everyone is watching, and can see what's happening, and the rest of the field are irrelevant.

He works for a racing RADIO station. Obviously, it never entered his or other callers minds, to ask the question, why do they have them if everyone is watching?.

Anyway, my horse got up to run second, so I'm not talking through my kick. But until he decided to go back to what was happening with the rest of the field, I had no idea and had given up on it.

Obviously, if I'm home watching, I would have seen that it was coming home and was at least going to run a place.

I understand that race calling is a tough business. I couldn't do it, neither can millions of others.

However, if you are going to go into a race calling career, aside from the obvious requirements that your chosen career necessitates, if you are lucky enough to get a job, call the races as if, as Bill Collins said, everyone is blind.

I sit and watch a lot of races, and it's happening every day, in particular when a horse bolts away from the rest of the field. That horse becomes the sole focus of the caller, and the punter is forgotten. It's not good enough, and there is no excuse for it.

For me as I listen to more on Audio than watching live, they should be calling 1. Course/Radio first 2. TV second.
Belittling and as usual lacking context.

it was the young callers first ever call on Racing.com and SKY, did a great job and will only get better.

Pathetic.

You don't get to call a race, be it your first, and I had no idea it was his first, or your last after having called for 30 years, on any racing radio station anywhere in Australia, without having gone through a thorough vetting process, auditions, and displaying the capacity to do the job.

Now that I know it was his first call, I give him credit for not missing a beat when it came to getting the horses names correct. The call itself was professional, and there is no way you would have picked it as being his first call, unless you were told in advance. Perhaps that was stated at some time prior to his call, I certainly didn't hear it.

Having said that, he has still fallen for the same trap, that all of them do when a horse bolts away from the rest of the field with a couple of hundred metres to go, and totally ignored the horses that were battling out the minors.

The worst at it, was Ron Papps who used to call in Adelaide, before a controversy ended his career. A mate reminded me of the time in Adelaide at least 40 years ago, when Papps got excited about a horse which had gone 8 lengths clear with two hundred to go. All he did was cr@p on about how the horse had a full brother, lot 135 or something going at the sales the following week. Stuff the punters who have backed the others for a place, quinellas etc. They had no idea where their horses had run, until well after the winner had passed the finish line.

Papps was a repeat offender.

What's "pathetic" is when well paid race callers, ignore the punters who largely pay their salaries, and neglect doing their job to the level that is required by us, and get so carried away with the horse that is well clear of the others, that they forget to let us, who may not have the benefit of watching the race, know where our horse is, and if we are a chance to fill a place.

Gilgamesh · October 2023

130% opening markets would have to be a peeve of mine

Rodent · October 2023

What happened to such and such bolts clear "interest in the minors"? It seems some callers have very little interest in the minors which certainly discredits their trade in my opinion.

loose_goose · October 2023

bookielover said:

Thunderstruck said:
I reckon your referring to Everett BL, I backed her too for the place only.Carleen had a chequered passage in the run but it finished off quite nicely.

But I get your point as even though i watched it he didn't call the other one until it hit the line flashing into 2nd.
That's the one Thunder.

At least, because you were watching, and the trainers colours, white with the red sash, are distinctive, so you could see it in the run, and would have seen it flashing home. I, and the other listener's had no idea.

I'll give credit to Matt Hill, who seems to understand that placegetters are just as important as the 5 lenght, streaking away winner. He'll still cakll the ones fighting out the placings.

Not here at our city tracks, if you have backed something in the minors, you always wait for the official placings before discarding a ticket. Matt Hill is the old style calls for radio type.

loose_goose · October 2023

meatpie said:

loose_goose said:

bookielover said:
Mine happened just yesterday.

Mate of mine tipped me his horse at Moe yesterday. Said it can't beat the fave {which started at $1.20 and won by 6 lengths}, but it should run a place.

So I had 10% of my bet for a win, just in case, after all, Ajax got beaten in 3 horse field at 1/33, and 90% for the place.

I had to do a message for the missus, and I'm in the car when the race is on.

It's a 1200 metre race. The caller calls the whole field as they settle down. Runs through them again at the 800, calls the first 4 runners at the 400 and says that mine is 5 lengths behind the fourth horse, then as they approach the turn, the fave moves up and gives them windburn. The caller has an orgasm, so much so, that for the last 250 metres, it's the only horse he mentions in the call.

Farque the punters who have backed horses for the place, quinellas, trifectas, trios, and first fours. They don't need to know where their horse is.

He obviously doesn't follow the Bill Collins school of race calling. As Bill once told me, I call them as if I'm calling to a blind person. This bloke, like most of them in similar circumstances, when a horse is 5 lengths in front with 100 or more metres to go, thinks that everyone is watching, and can see what's happening, and the rest of the field are irrelevant.

He works for a racing RADIO station. Obviously, it never entered his or other callers minds, to ask the question, why do they have them if everyone is watching?.

Anyway, my horse got up to run second, so I'm not talking through my kick. But until he decided to go back to what was happening with the rest of the field, I had no idea and had given up on it.

Obviously, if I'm home watching, I would have seen that it was coming home and was at least going to run a place.

I understand that race calling is a tough business. I couldn't do it, neither can millions of others.

However, if you are going to go into a race calling career, aside from the obvious requirements that your chosen career necessitates, if you are lucky enough to get a job, call the races as if, as Bill Collins said, everyone is blind.

I sit and watch a lot of races, and it's happening every day, in particular when a horse bolts away from the rest of the field. That horse becomes the sole focus of the caller, and the punter is forgotten. It's not good enough, and there is no excuse for it.

For me as I listen to more on Audio than watching live, they should be calling 1. Course/Radio first 2. TV second.
Belittling and as usual lacking context.

it was the young callers first ever call on Racing.com and SKY, did a great job and will only get better.

Pathetic.

Thank god for that, as mine was just a general comment, I have no idea what race they are talking about

meatpie said:

loose_goose said:

bookielover said:
Mine happened just yesterday.

Mate of mine tipped me his horse at Moe yesterday. Said it can't beat the fave {which started at $1.20 and won by 6 lengths}, but it should run a place.

So I had 10% of my bet for a win, just in case, after all, Ajax got beaten in 3 horse field at 1/33, and 90% for the place.

I had to do a message for the missus, and I'm in the car when the race is on.

It's a 1200 metre race. The caller calls the whole field as they settle down. Runs through them again at the 800, calls the first 4 runners at the 400 and says that mine is 5 lengths behind the fourth horse, then as they approach the turn, the fave moves up and gives them windburn. The caller has an orgasm, so much so, that for the last 250 metres, it's the only horse he mentions in the call.

Farque the punters who have backed horses for the place, quinellas, trifectas, trios, and first fours. They don't need to know where their horse is.

He obviously doesn't follow the Bill Collins school of race calling. As Bill once told me, I call them as if I'm calling to a blind person. This bloke, like most of them in similar circumstances, when a horse is 5 lengths in front with 100 or more metres to go, thinks that everyone is watching, and can see what's happening, and the rest of the field are irrelevant.

He works for a racing RADIO station. Obviously, it never entered his or other callers minds, to ask the question, why do they have them if everyone is watching?.

Anyway, my horse got up to run second, so I'm not talking through my kick. But until he decided to go back to what was happening with the rest of the field, I had no idea and had given up on it.

Obviously, if I'm home watching, I would have seen that it was coming home and was at least going to run a place.

I understand that race calling is a tough business. I couldn't do it, neither can millions of others.

However, if you are going to go into a race calling career, aside from the obvious requirements that your chosen career necessitates, if you are lucky enough to get a job, call the races as if, as Bill Collins said, everyone is blind.

I sit and watch a lot of races, and it's happening every day, in particular when a horse bolts away from the rest of the field. That horse becomes the sole focus of the caller, and the punter is forgotten. It's not good enough, and there is no excuse for it.

For me as I listen to more on Audio than watching live, they should be calling 1. Course/Radio first 2. TV second.
Apologies Loose, got wrong quote and effed up edit.

loose_goose · October 2023

Rodent said:
What happened to such and such bolts clear "interest in the minors"? It seems some callers have very little interest in the minors which certainly discredits their trade in my opinion.What happened to such and such bolts clear "interest in the minors"? It seems some callers have very little interest in the minors which certainly discredits their trade in my opinion.

Spot on Rodent, every horse in the race should be given air time

sonny · October 2023

Mine is the deductions on scr. All are different with the agencies...

detonator · October 2023

sonny said:
Mine is the deductions on scr. All are different with the agencies...

Some of them I liken it to theft. [-X

Thunderstruck · October 2023

detonator said:

sonny said:
Mine is the deductions on scr. All are different with the agencies...

Some of them I liken it to theft. [-X

Was going to mention one good example of this in Qld(Emerald)last Tuesday, a horse who was 6th in the market and I noticed 18 bucks late became a scr.The 9 horse field became 8 and the fave was around 2.10/2.20 pre scratching..I thought probably no deductions will occur then this..

Tabtouch applied deductions of 11c W 10c P :-O

By comparison Sportsbet and Ladbrokes were 2 and 3c respectively which I thought was still clutching with a near 20-1 pop but maybe justifiable.

detonator · October 2023

There are dramatic inconsistencies for sure TS.

I have not done a thorough analysis on deductions (but maybe I should for my own mental health).

Sportsbet when when there is a a deduction of 10 cents it appears they take a total of 10% off the whole bet. Not just the winning portion. Eg $10 on a horse paying $ 2.00. Expected return $20.00.

10 cent deduction your return becomes $18 (10% off the total bet). Should be in my opinion should be $19 because deduction should be off the winning portion and not your original stake.

Have I got this wrong ? or is this the norm.

Bet365 have a different deduction process I am sure. And I do not believe they do not deduct on a lot of instances when the horse is scratched at the barrier?

I stand corrected on all of any of the above :-B

bookielover · October 2023

Rodent said:
What happened to such and such bolts clear "interest in the minors"? It seems some callers have very little interest in the minors which certainly discredits their trade in my opinion.

That was my point Rodent, it just took me half an hour to make it.

Interestingly, Meatpie, like the point when you made it, but not when I did, even after I had responded to his post to me.

I get a very strange feelin in my waters, that the old pie doesn't fancy me too much

:((

Thunderstruck · October 2023

Yeh mate it's just the allocated % of the SP you fixed at.
I had one today actually Hawkesbury R3 Gustosisimo, i fixed at 1.90 last night with Ladbrokes.
2 scratchings today totalling 10c or 10% deduction and I got paid out at 1.71.

SP'd @ 1.40 so betting early worked this time.

H-BOMBER · October 2023

When you bet semi early on something and then in the last 30 mins of betting the thing blows out in price and is gone on the corner.

I'm looking at you Kings Flirt :-&

reloadwa · October 2023

I was with you there H-Bomb.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · October 2023

Fernie's Billy Ray drifted out the gate and was never sighted.

Hasn't Fernie's Red Cadillac improved. Amazed nobody was disqualified after that August non effort.

Thunderstruck · October 2023

Hard to rectify just moreso bad luck but I'm getting kicked by late scratchings lately.

Literally my latest 2 bets in Victoria, R9 yesterday @Bendigo Skybird e.w and one right in the market gets withdrawn and today R1 Pakenham same bloody thing, backed Queen Starlight for the place only, so an 18% deduction was applied to my 2.15 dividend L-)

Thunderstruck · October 2023

Followed up by 2 late ones at Armidale R1 15 minutes later..

G'day Punter!

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