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  • OrangecrushOrangecrush    11 posts
    The guaranteed 55 cent return was changed during San Slmeons winning sequence

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,348 posts
    I read the Victorians - amended and brought in/adopted alot of new rules - some good ones - like if some horses have 6 or 12 mth breaks - then they need to trial - before they race 

    But one which caught my eye - and im only asking the question - i dont want to be shouted out by a couple of precious posters 

    But is this rule adopted - to stop trainers doing yet  another cruel thing to make horses go quicker - or have i completely misunderstood it  .

    The rule states " A person shall not perform or authorise the performance of the procedure of Blistering "

    " For the purpose of this rule Blistering means the application or injection of an irritating substance  onto or into soft tissue of a horse to create an inflammatory reaction "


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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    It was used in the “past” to create a skin irritation on the neck region for a pricker on a lugging pole to rub against forcing the horse to run away from it. Very cruel in my opinion.
    From memory was also a method for treating damaged tendons but not sure, maybe someone can confirm.
    Either way thought it would have been stopped years ago.

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  • MoonrakerMoonraker    107 posts
    Blistering was also a treatment for shin-soreness in gallopers

    not sure if still common practice or not

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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Moonraker said:

    Blistering was also a treatment for shin-soreness in gallopers


    not sure if still common practice or not
    Think its outlawed  now  But it was common practice to apply working blisters like Ranlin  for horses legs and joints through a campaign

    .Plus the magician Pop Johnson had his stables full of broken down horses which trainers would drop off which he had his own magic potion's full blisters,-- working blisters,one that was used to detect problems if there was no heat ,swelling, no stone bruise no visual lameness they would just paint it on the next morning  the problem joint or knee would have swollen right up.

    Know of old pacer that had been  off  2-3 years still had 2 bowed tendons like boomerangs Old vet from 50s-60s blistered both.   Then after one month put  them both  in plaster for two weeks. then removed plaster his legs were as straight as a gun barrell..

    Pop Johnson use to get his ingredients from chemist shops , stock feed shops from different states across australia ---- they use to  joke about trying to get him to talk in his sleep.


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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    I see Bunbury running a day meeting today.
    Would be interesting to see the turnover.
    If they could manage that on a regular basis surely would push turnover up.
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  • sonnysonny    1,555 posts
    When I was growing up around the stables in the 60s . we used to tar the bowed tendons. We did it once (that was 1 to many).. In the late 80s we got a good pacer who bowed his tendon tarred him and spelled for 6 months  Brought him back in work  on the beach and swum him . Won at H.P  and plced 2 more than broke down.. and went to a good home..
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,624 posts
    Can speak in the first person here.....used to go up to Hamilton Hill stables of Pop to pick up up tins of his "preparation" to treat a lovely mare, Terre. She had a "joint, nearside fetlock which would swell up and cause problems. Pop's linament was dark brown (tincture of iodine) and smelt like menthol, a sort of deep heat odour, vaseline base I believe. Was applied daily, I swam the mare 3 times a week in the river at Riverton Bridge (Shelley nowadays), she was stood in buckets of  iced sea water for 20 minutes post race and hoppled runs. Although she was 7 when we got her, she stood up with zero lameness, won city races, lot of placings behind the likes of Race Ruler etc. But it was not a "blister", nothing of the sort. He may have had those sorts of things, and pin firing bowed tendons was common followed by a long break to enable scar tissue to form, but Pop had many strings to his bow.
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    The application was responsible for the blister terminology with Pops  There was paint on three days on three off could continue to race which never blistered. But then there was others  if you rubbed vigorously against the grain of hair  would then actually blister.prior to spelling.But like you say he had different strengths for different problems

    When he passed on he left the potions and amounts to one daughter whose  son people could get it from made up.but ceased early nineties.

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  • ArapahoArapaho    395 posts
    race 4 GP last night the old american lock wheel carts were at it again Firstly Eldaytona and Special Lady who were going to run one two locked wheels,then Sagatious and The Batmobile who after the interference looked like they would fight it out also locked wheels.
    Its amazing how easy these carts lock up and It happens time after time and now has become a normal part of racing .
    Not bad for a non contact sport.
    Surely surely someone can come up with a better design ,especially with the amount of money they cost .
    Bring back the old regal.
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,348 posts
    After watching the replay - i just think maybe Kyle  drove a touch tight - i mean LH gave the inside horse sufficient room - and i dont think his horse hung out 

    If your going to sweep to the lead - then keep well away from the 1st 2 horses 

    One thing which caught my eye - 2 yr old filly APG Heat - and only 2 starters - what on hell is going on their 
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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    3,025 posts
    They have to run the heats under the APG conditions irrespective of the number of starters.

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Arapaho said:

    race 4 GP last night the old american lock wheel carts were at it again Firstly Eldaytona and Special Lady who were going to run one two locked wheels,then Sagatious and The Batmobile who after the interference looked like they would fight it out also locked wheels.

    Its amazing how easy these carts lock up and It happens time after time and now has become a normal part of racing .
    Not bad for a non contact sport.
    Surely surely someone can come up with a better design ,especially with the amount of money they cost .
    Bring back the old regal.
    When you drive your wheel under the cart inside you under no pressure at all one rein in each hand then I would suggest that is careless.
    The stewards report/observations suggest it was tight racing. How can it be tight when there was nothing to the outside. Would have been some interesting comments down the straight between father and son. If only they had recording devices on carts.
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,348 posts
    Chariotsonfire said:

    They have to run the heats under the APG conditions irrespective of the number of starters.

    Yes i understand that - by why only 2 acceptances - that was my question 
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,348 posts
    Maryborough race 8 today - a mares championship heat - that is harness racing at its brilliant exciting best - every single yard of that race  excitement plus - you could watch that race 4-5 times over 

    Thats what WA have to get on a Frid night - races like that 
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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,009 posts
    Little Dwayne notching up his 3rd career victory and is well over $50K in prize money now, talk about getting the best out of a horse that is it.

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,348 posts
    I follow the Tassie  Trots scene because i lived down their for 4-5 years 

    So last night is their biggest meeting - traditional at Easter - Lonnie pacing cup 100k - and both it and the 100k Hobart Pacing Cup are standing starts are standing starts which would please plenty on this forum 

    Now it is a free world and all the rest of  it - but they only have 2 meetings a week their - so it would be hard making a living - and most of them would have 2nd jobs etc 

    Emma Stewart had 2 runners in the 100k Cup -ive got no problem with that at all - and they ran 1st and 2nd 

    However - and the supporting races were only 9k races ( Country Vic have that in her backyard for basically every race ) but she sends a boat load of horses down their - all miles better than the local opposition 

    They all start around $1.10 and they all win by about 30 metres

    So her and her driver win 9 of the 10 races - and the only reason they didnt win race 6 - was it was a trainers encouragement race ( less than 5 wins ) so they couldnt have a horse in it - otherwise they would have won all 10 races

    Apparently the owner of Pharlap - because he use to back it up and start it in every possible race - thus they use to call him Harry " Hungry" Telford - well after last night they ought to call her Emma "Hungry " Stewart 

    I think most of the locals would be saying to her - all the best - but piiss off - and i hope you never come back

    Rant over 

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Yeh was just coming in here to post something about this, i dont know anything about her tbh where is she based in TAS or Victoria? Seems pretty unfair on the surface if she is in Tas not as bad.
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    edited April 2022
    Trainers can load-up and race where they like----. Bart Cummings was going crook on a program  the sunday before 93. Melb.Cup about the northern hemisphere invasion for the cup.Bart at the time had won eight melb. cups.
    He finished up the rant with it won't be Vintage Crop this year because he hasn't raced for six weeks your horse has to have a minimum 10,000 metres of racing leading up to the cup to win it.

    Some Tassie pacers raced well in W.A. for  Les   Poyser  --- Speedy Ben, Rio Butler , Melfield Tyros,Another Tas pacer  flashy chestnut Typhson raced in inters for Lyle Lindau - probably there is heap of others.

    Tas-- Halwes regarded one of the all time greats.. Thorate was a inters winner bred in tas.


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  • curmudgeoncurmudgeon    2,417 posts
    The industry principals in Tasmania could easily adjust terms for race entry so that overnighters don't just arrive & pick the eyes out of the islands biggest raceday & disappear.
    If you demand a contribution to the codes local health for instance by insisting on an exclusion /inclusion variable such as ..." must have had x number of starts in Tasmania" then at least you insist on a turnover contribution over an extended period.


     

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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    edited April 2022
    Kalgoorlie tried that late eighties  to entice trainers prior to the round and then to compete  directly after the round with pts award for starts and placings to run in the final. sure the  W.A. oaks winner ended up winning the Final -Jamcaro..

    But Tassie harness last night had  45 horses from the Yole stable  racing.    - He had 6,8,8,9.9 runners in five races.  In field of ten race one he had nine runners Stewart had the winner.

    Got the figures from 74--88. Australia  had between 6900-- peaked at 8943 trainers in   80/81 -----Tasmania had 380 trainers  W..A. had 1057 in 88.
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,348 posts
    Ha - Ha - HA - an ex bookie disliked my post of having a sense of fair play  - that would be par for the course 

    Has there been a more miserable  profession than Bookmakers - honestly they wouldnt give you a glass of water if you were lost in the Desert 

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,624 posts
    As they do at Busselton for the 5 night lead up to their Cup. 2 starts required in the 4 race meetings prior to becoming eligible for the Cup on night 5.

    STG, no discussion on Tassie horses complete without noting Golden Alley or Lea Sands, both out and out champs, and also Collaborate and his contribution to WA breeding.

    Les Poyser had a conga line of horses from Tassie over the years.....Speedy Ben, Rio Butler, Melfield Tyros as you mentioned above...can add in  Chief Riki, Ash Duke, Ashton, Golden Stage, San Eltrym, Maroubra Star, Martha Jay, Markita's Boy, Beginners Luck....and plenty of others jumped on board importing Tassie horses.

    Black Irish won 5 in Tassie before lobbing in Perth, Merak the same and Tom Charles won a stack of races (14) with Bandsman going way back. Lyle, as well as 25 wins with Typhson had a quality fast class horse called Chamfers Return and good mare Jane Byrd, Jim Schrader did very well with the grey Adios Ken, Ernmoor and Lena Anne, Colin Joss had Captain Berry and Marina Prospect, Bob Pollock (memory test) with the outstanding Hal Butler, Doryank and Speculate, old Sitting Bull won dozens of races for Bob Johnson....it is an endless list....Crestaway (Colin Warwick) Fisherman (Charlie Rifici), Prince Riki for Dick Moore, Robin Scott and West Express for Mick Taylor, Tax Deduction for Les Marriott, Speedy Emblem for Bob Gertzel and Perth optometrist Mr Vann, Tripper for FRK, Top Byrd for Gary Lilleyman, Claremont Lady for Lyle, Temple Raider for Coulson and Woody, Friendly Ruth for Ray Sweetman and Tricky and not 100% sure but I think Graduate Boy was a Tassie product. And that is far from the full picture.

    Obviously, a lot of trainer/drivers went to Tassie tro "test drive" before you buy and some of the historical results show strange occurrences like Phil Coulson driving a winner at Carrick in November 1980 on Bin Ban. The Victorian fraternity also used Tassie as a rich source of quality young horses back when it's breeding industry was the best in Australia courtesy of Edgar Tatlow, Globe Derby and Raider, an influence that is waning as the years go by.

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,348 posts
    Sinbad Bay went allright 

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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Markovina said:

    Sinbad Bay went allright 

    Markovina-- your trainer& driver .B.Gath   said the best horse he has ever driven.  ;)

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  • sonnysonny    1,555 posts
    Atashy Luck .We got from Tassie . One a few and broke down , Gave it to Gleeson and ran 2nd in the Miracle Mile I think Village Kid won and Paleface bubble ran 3rd  from memory..
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,348 posts
    sonny said:

    Atashy Luck .We got from Tassie . One a few and broke down , Gave it to Gleeson and ran 2nd in the Miracle Mile I think Village Kid won and Paleface bubble ran 3rd  from memory..

    Paleface Bubble - that was an enigma of a horse that - it had so much talent - but it had the heart the size of a pea

    I think the late Michael Ilsey trained it for most of its career 

    Theres women drivers and theirs women drivers - but i rated Tess highly 
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Was Kim Moore rated as a driver----Very good gallops trainer as Kim Waugh.she has won a Sydney Cup
    The other topTassie horse Beautide
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,624 posts
    Dyama also a very good Tassie bred horse that raced the best at Moonee Valley mid 80's.
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,348 posts
    savethegame said:

    Was Kim Moore rated as a driver----Very good gallops trainer as Kim Waugh.she has won a Sydney Cup
    The other topTassie horse Beautide

    Margaret Frost was the trailblazer of female drivers - she set the scene 

    As for the best - any of the McMullen girls in QLD 

    It takes courage for any driver to drive in a race - but i just find with some of the lady drivers they can be a little timid to take gaps - or ease horses wider on the track when past the candy pole thus within the rules - where as those McMullen girls are deadset fearless - and brilliant drivers


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