'17/'18 HK Season

therealkramer · July 2018

I thought Moreira riding was the variable that meant he was 'more likely to win than any other jockey' and your computer had never seen it anywhere.

"he is the only jockey that i have ever analysed whose record from back in the field is as good as his record up close.
and his record from any position is far superior to any jockey i have EVER analysed."

It even had a digital orgasm when you fed it the data. Maybe add a variable-Zac's psych game is over 9000. Your formula came up as short-like, jockey short. How apt.

therealkramer · July 2018

I guess if you're going to use data to support your argument, it's best to stick to that and not speculate about possible off track issues that you can't quantify. Zac applied the blowtorch and Joao melted. He made some bad choices with regards to rides, Zac got more support as he rode more and more winners and Nash's disqualification obviously meant there'd be more opportunities within Zac's weight range...all favourable conditions, I'm sure. But Zac's weathered the storm after losing his title to Moreira and he's earned this, so the Moreira fanboys should lose with some class instead of looking for excuses. Whereas the Brazilian has run at the first sign of a challenge. He'll be in Japan next season despite applying for a HK licence before withdrawing it.

carey · July 2018

therealkramer said:
I thought Moreira riding was the variable that meant he was 'more likely to win than any other jockey' and your computer had never seen it anywhere.

"he is the only jockey that i have ever analysed whose record from back in the field is as good as his record up close.
and his record from any position is far superior to any jockey i have EVER analysed."

It even had a digital orgasm when you fed it the data. Maybe add a variable-Zac's psych game is over 9000. Your formula came up as short-like, jockey short. How apt.

well, things never stay the same do they, they are fluid.
he was, now he's not.
bob menzies was pm once, do you think he still is?

carey · July 2018

and that red bit is true, but that does not mean it's still true does it?
i would bet my last dollar it's not true of purton either, nether now, nor at any period of his career.
does not mean he is not a great rider though.

repeat...please speak through your mouth.

therealkramer · July 2018

Any jockey will look good on the right horse in the right circumstances. Moreira is a pop up franchise who left Singapore at the top of his game before he could have diminishing returns. The standard was probably not good enough there to seriously trouble him in any case. But clearly in HK, Zac saw something he could exploit once he decided to have a red hot crack at it-his weight clearly disadvantaged his premiership ambitions against a lightweight rider. I'm sure in Japan he will probably follow a similar pattern but in any case it's a weak move imo. If, Joao loses, which is looking almost a certainty, he should have stayed and won the title back, not slink off to a new challenge. He'd applied for a licence next season so don't try selling the narrative about Japan being a scratch he needed to itch post haste. He wants no parts of Zac and a week-to-week slugfest for the premiership.

carey · July 2018

well unlike you i don't pretend to know what is happening.

my own guess would be that something has happened in moreira life, or his mind, that has made something change.

purton has been able to capitalise on that, but the fact remains that moreria numbers are still far better than the others.

but at the end of the day, it's their lives, and to say he is slinking away, is idiotical in the extreme.

therealkramer · July 2018

He's running away from a fight. Call it anything you like but you're just revealing yourself a Moreira fanboy by making excuses. The facts-and let's stick to those-are that he applied for a licence then withdrew it so his intention was to ride on. Last weekend showed how having two jockeys fighting out the premiership late in the season is a drawcard and good for racing because it extracted the best from both.

spinking · July 2018

Have you ever for one moment Kramer thought that with 3 Hong Kong titles to his name , and at the age of 33 he wants to see and experience a bit more of world racing. Maybe he doesn't have winning the Hong Kong title seeing he has done it 3 times already as high on his agenda as you do to as to who wins it

carey · July 2018

no, you are revealing yourself as a biased dill.

i don't give a fig about any of them from a racing viewpoint, and never have.

bias is the worst thing a gambler can have.

therealkramer · July 2018

Your model couldn't account for whatever it is that Zac has makes Moreira uncomfortable. Purton ended Whyte's 13-year reign and now he's on track to topple the bloke who last season broke the record for season winners. Name call all you like. You are wrong and you admit you have trouble believing that. I'm not gonna argue with you at all.

carey · July 2018

my model/s is a plaything.

i don't rely on them for anything, and never have.

it was a manner of teaching myself logits, nothing more, nothing less.

i just wanted to see how the syndicates do it, but on my ownsome, and without spending 7 zillion dollars perfecting it.

notwithstanding that, i would guarantee it would lose less money than you would, on hk racing % of turnover wise.

so purton is a great jockey, why don't you tell us something we don't already know?

but i doubt any have the glee you do, that moreira is going to lose this year.

i don't care who wins it or who loses it, and why would anybody except the competitors or their better halves?

trk => biased dill

therealkramer · July 2018

Wrong again. I said Moreira wasn't THAT much better, it at all. Purton merely proves my point-I'd cheer just as loudly if it was Karis Teetan, Nash, Whyte, Schofield etc..

You are right though, these things are fluid. I'm way downstream whereas you're marooned on the beach like Gilligan trying to save hooded plovers

carey · July 2018

therealkramer said:
Wrong again. I said Moreira wasn't THAT much better, it at all. Purton merely proves my point-I'd cheer just as loudly if it was Karis Teetan, Nash, Whyte, Schofield etc..

You are right though, these things are fluid. I'm way downstream whereas you're marooned on the beach like Gilligan trying to save hooded plovers

proof that you are a dill

the last sentence is something you would expect of a complete and utter idiot.

come back when you have grown up.

therealkramer · July 2018

carey said:

therealkramer said:
Wrong again. I said Moreira wasn't THAT much better, it at all. Purton merely proves my point-I'd cheer just as loudly if it was Karis Teetan, Nash, Whyte, Schofield etc..

You are right though, these things are fluid. I'm way downstream whereas you're marooned on the beach like Gilligan trying to save hooded plovers

proof that you are a dill
the last sentence is something you would expect of a complete and utter idiot.
come back when you have grown up.

You're all up in your feelings again, princess. You can't admit you're wrong so opt for a lazy insult. I can do much better than i already have but it's not an activity thats worthy of my time. You need this place for the same reason an instagram 'model' needs that platform: validation. You're not gonna get it from me sweetie. Are you Maryanne or Ginger now?

Source · July 2018

With 11 races to go Purton and Moriera mounts are rated in the top 2 in the 8 of 11 races and both in the placings in another 2. All moriera's mounts are rated in the top 2.

Going to be a great days racing.

carey · July 2018

if i am wrong, or not, is irrelevant to the idiocy about beaches and plovers.

stick to the subject at hand and forget the extraneous ****.
when people go off on tangents like that, it's proof positve they have nothing else.

trk >>>>>>>>> dill

carey · July 2018

and i am NOT wrong because i am not trying to prove anything.

you yourself proved that you are a dill, so i had no part in that either!

therealkramer · July 2018

So what evidence do you have that something is 'not right' with Joao? How do you quantify a 'hunch'? You are wrong because you overrated Moreria. Zac waited and watched. He saw where he could exploit a 'weakness' just as he did with Douglas Whyte. Douglas is vanquished and no longer a threat. Joao is fleeing to Japan, another victim of the ultra competitive Purton-just like Douglas & Michael Rodd before him.

spinking · July 2018

Fleeing to Japan. Take Carey's advise and stop making a dill of yourself

carey · July 2018

i take full blame spinking, it was idiotic of me to jump in, but the dill called trk came up with some idiotic and irrelevant stuff about a computer.

lesson learned though.

Source · July 2018

Moriera strikes first which he's done númerous times the last few weeks. All I can say is get on Purton to win race 2.

It's game on.

Thunderstruck · July 2018

He has drawn wide again with 60kg on a galloper that hasn't won for who knows how long leave me out of that..i'll have a crack at no 11 Exponents, ran some time clocking 1.21.5 when winning last start.Ill regret this i reckon class 5's in HK are seemingly littered with goats :D

I noticed Zac maybe jumped off the maiden galloper Moreira is on today? be interesting to see how that pans out.

Source · July 2018

Really like Bullish Glory in the third for prebble.

therealkramer · July 2018

spinking said:
Fleeing to Japan. Take Carey's advise and stop making a dill of yourself

If that's how you think 'advice' is spelt then I'd seriously question anything Carey posts here as it seems he is followed by idiots.

spinking · July 2018

That's all you have a spelling or grammar mistake. Carey please stop giving yourself credit for the utter Sh.. posts he has contributed to his own little thread, it's quite obvious from his previous contributions to this thread that he was and is a complete dill before you stepped up. Hasn't got anything logical to offer so this comes up with irrelevant dribble

Source · July 2018

Why you would spend your Sunday afternoon arguing over the stupidest things is beyond me.

Moriera beaten on the odds on pop and it's becoming a bit of a fizzer this.

Thunderstruck · July 2018

Yep @source it is a nonny..i do think Zac can win the next race however!
Those two been at it for ages mate i thought Spink had learnt not to bite..but apparently not... :))

spinking · July 2018

Advise taken Thunder good point

therealkramer · July 2018

This is the single greatest day in the history of this forum. Zac destroys the myth that was Moreira and it's the perfect note on which to bow out. Enjoy you squabbles, ladies. Rise High seems an apt way for my departure but this stand up act is this kramer's best work.

Source · July 2018

Shows what a champion jo is after the disappointment of losing the title he wins the next two races with absolute gems. He will be missed!

G'day Punter!

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