Bricks For Brains

britbrat · April 2018

Very disappointing for a lot of people the way the Sires was run.Simon Miller was asked to comment on the race and he said.

"Lets just say there's a lot of cowboys out there with bricks for brains"

Taking nothing away from the gutsy run of the winner the Amelia Park Syndicate must have been spewing when the despised roughie took the lead and buggered up there being a genuinely run race.

Lady Cosmology almost certainly would have won had it not been there and why was this allowed to happen when Ionyx finished 15 1/2 lengths from the winner.

Not a mention in the stewards report

RIO · April 2018

This happens week in and week out. Where the roughy goes forward, puts the speed on, or sits outside a genuine leader and messes up a lot of plans....

What are they meant to do?? Only put the horses in that are competitive?? that would have been about a 4 or 5 horse field in that Gr3.!!!

And just to clarify i was on the winner. Got a great run, and the roughy of the field did exactly what i thought it'd do... It had no other chance of winning.

I actually thought Platoon was the unlucky run...Stevie had it flying and drove it straight into the back of LHMR!!!!!

Ridersonthestorm33 · April 2018

Tend to agree Rio and also depends who you are on..if on the winner it's, 'great race, nothing wrong with that, roughie went forward and speed on that's what we want to see and happens every week'.

Now with the boot on the other foot ..'that's a fair dinkum disgrace, rode against the Miller horse, shouldn't be even in the race, etc.etc.'

It's a bit like when a player in a AFL team you support gets reported...'nope nothing in that, must get let off, shouldn't have a case to answer' ...now someone from another team..'that was terrible, deserves at least three weeks'.

It's amazing how judgement can ebb and flow, depending on circumstances. Then there's the non bias judges with no interest in the result..well there worse than the rest of us! They have no idea haha.

Dillinger · April 2018

Agree Rio ...re 4/5 horse field...

Heard trnr S. Wolfe say that they will go fwd wth LHMR .. Jock did the right thing waiting till he was ready & just lasted .No need to attack the roughie as it was always going to compound..............Why didnt Millers horse V.R sit off the rough leader & give it a chance??

Ridersonthestorm33 · April 2018

Also for me that's why agree with Britbat and Rio. No bet - however if had have been involved in the winner or the unlucky runner/s would certainly be taking sides.

Thunderstruck · April 2018

My confusion is with the OP's "genuinely run race" comment.. i reckon Ionyx leading ensured it WAS genuinely run as 1.23.09 overall is pretty speedy for 2 year olds isnt it? and a under 47 seconds 1st 800? Faster than the 78+ race and 1.2 seconds faster than Roganella clocked.

I suppose the only issue is if it impeded any horse when the battery went flat..which didnt appear to be the case.

If Bam's hadnt of missed the kick by 4 or so the speed up front was perfect for her to be right in the finish... cest la vie.

RIO · April 2018

If i owned VR, i'd be absolutely spewing......So i definitely see the point. But i don't have a solution. I reckon the LHMR team - or the shooter on the jumping - assessed it spot on. took the sit, dragged along with cover and held on while the other were trying to get out and going.

Every now and then a front running roughy gets the bickies.....but rarely in a Group race!!!

Bigger question...i wonder if the 2 Albany trainers knew each others plans???

Ridersonthestorm33 · April 2018

If we only knew how a race was going to be run. Speed maps too, they can be handy but other times just throw them out the window. Take them for gospel and trouble awaits. What it boils down to I guess is how hard or slow they go.

Ridersonthestorm33 · April 2018

There is no solution Rio! There can't be. It's just another variable in an amazing sport. The only thing close to a solution are the stewards and its there call.

Rodent · April 2018

I just had another look at the race. Simon must have been on Valour Road. Its chances were torpedoed for sure but his other steed Lady Cosmology had a world perfect run. Every conceivable chance. Simon should have commended the winner as Pike did.

They went very hard and McGruddy went early on LHMR and still hung on. Great effort.

hash · April 2018

i'm a little confused... so what horse exactly was at a disadvantage due to this roughie going fwd, Lady Cosmology cause it got pressured up front and had to take a sit or Valour Road because it wasn't able to lead and got caught out wide due to Willie keeping him out there??

therealkramer · April 2018

@rodent I thought mice were usually the ones who took the bait, not offered it? Lady Cosmology had to make two runs, the winner just one. If LC had had it her own way in front, then you could argue it was run to suit, but she didn't get that at all. She went from leading to back on the rail in a pocket. Whilst LHMR wasn't gassed early, had perfect one out running inc cover and made one run, barely holding on. The time it took LC to wind up after easing wide, meant had Pike stuck to the rails, it wouldn't have made a difference. I did note, he hugged the rail on the $1.80fav in the following race though [-X

Rodent · April 2018

We all have our own opinions and we exercise our own judgement. Mine has served me very well over a very long period of time. If you were on Lady Cosmology you are just looking for excuses. If you need a better run than that to win at odds of $2.30, you've taken gross unders.

hollda09 · April 2018

Rodent said:
I just had another look at the race. Simon must have been on Valour Road. Its chances were torpedoed for sure but his other steed Lady Cosmology had a world perfect run. Every conceivable chance. Simon should have commended the winner as Pike did.
They went very hard and McGruddy went early on LHMR and still hung on. Great effort.

World perfect run? Are you serious? Pressured, takes a sit on a horse that was going nowhere turning for home, loses all momentum when pike has to sit and wait for the winner to go past her. What race were you watching?

Rodent said:
I just had another look at the race. Simon must have been on Valour Road. Its chances were torpedoed for sure but his other steed Lady Cosmology had a world perfect run. Every conceivable chance. Simon should have commended the winner as Pike did.
They went very hard and McGruddy went early on LHMR and still hung on. Great effort.

Godd · April 2018

It is what it is, that’s how the race panned out , shooter rode the best race and won. Sour grapes by Simon miller... every horse goes out there to win. They can’t say because it was a roughy it shouldn’t of led ... if the leader was 10-1 there would of been nothing said

Rodent · April 2018

@hollda09 "loses all momentum when pike has to sit and wait for the winner to go past her"

What I saw was Pike get a perfect tow on the turn behind LHMR in a very fast run 1400m. I think your argument would have more merit in a slowly run race.

Maybe I'm just talking through my kick having got a bit of the $9.

therealkramer · April 2018

Rodent said:
We all have our own opinions and we exercise our own judgement. Mine has served me very well over a very long period of time. If you were on Lady Cosmology you are just looking for excuses. If you need a better run than that to win at odds of $2.30, you've taken gross unders.

It couldn't have had things turn out worse and it's gone down by a lip. I'd say the $2.30 was about right. Now if you think its run was no good then why did the leader get the ride it copped? It was dreadfully outclassed and its chances were even more remote by burning the gas so early, hence dropping out 15len last. Any early leader will look huge unders if carved up in front.

If the winner had been the one serving it up to the fav then if would be a case of well played. Instead, it was a $61 chance who had little chance to begin with and absolutely none given the tactics employed.

therealkramer · April 2018

Godd said:
It is what it is, that’s how the race panned out , shooter rode the best race and won. Sour grapes by Simon miller... every horse goes out there to win. They can’t say because it was a roughy it shouldn’t of led ... if the leader was 10-1 there would of been nothing said

Ionyx was beaten 2.75len by Lordhelpmerun two starts back when in receipt of 1.5kg. Are you trying to say it's suddenly lost almost 13len? Stop it.

Rodent · April 2018

therealkramer said:

Rodent said:
We all have our own opinions and we exercise our own judgement. Mine has served me very well over a very long period of time. If you were on Lady Cosmology you are just looking for excuses. If you need a better run than that to win at odds of $2.30, you've taken gross unders.
It couldn't have had things turn out worse and it's gone down by a lip. I'd say the $2.30 was about right. Now if you think its run was no good then why did the leader get the ride it copped? It was dreadfully outclassed and its chances were even more remote by burning the gas so early, hence dropping out 15len last. Any early leader will look huge unders if carved up in front.

If the winner had been the one serving it up to the fav then if would be a case of well played. Instead, it was a $61 chance who had little chance to begin with and absolutely none given the tactics employed.

I didn't say its run was no good. On the contrary, I think it ran well but was beaten by a better horse on the day. If you think things couldn't have turned out worse for Lady Cosmology I won't bother arguing with you any more.

I'm more than happy to have a different opinion. It what makes winning on the punt possible.

TheDiva · April 2018

I’m in the rodent camp.

TheSwooper · April 2018

Had a quick look. Randy's horse jumped well and was deserving of a chance to get to the front. The problem was that Lady Cosmology flew out and so once his horse got keen, he didn't have too many options. If he sits outside leader, probably still finishes a long last.

Pike could have eased a lot earlier but presume the goal was to lead and have stablemate sit outside him not applying any pressure (or, the stablemate finds the front) - that way giving them both every opportunity.

darkshines · April 2018

How you handling losing is the greatest reveal of character. Are they entitled to be shitty? For sure. Would you publicly whinge about it? No, comes across as an elitist wanker.

You put Pike on to have the balls to angle for runs, yet in this he decided very early he was going to have to come around them. Might not have won regardless, but still humorous. Maybe if the jock did form (has publicly stated he doesn't) he would've planned for this better?

therealkramer · April 2018

TheDiva said:
I’m in the rodent camp.

A bookie cheering a fav getting beat. Well I never ;))

I backed the fav but not enough to be bothered about it getting beat. But i call a spade a spade. Yes they're all entitled to ride to win. Riding to beat the fav is another matter altogether though.

therealkramer · April 2018

Rodent said:

therealkramer said:

Rodent said:
We all have our own opinions and we exercise our own judgement. Mine has served me very well over a very long period of time. If you were on Lady Cosmology you are just looking for excuses. If you need a better run than that to win at odds of $2.30, you've taken gross unders.
It couldn't have had things turn out worse and it's gone down by a lip. I'd say the $2.30 was about right. Now if you think its run was no good then why did the leader get the ride it copped? It was dreadfully outclassed and its chances were even more remote by burning the gas so early, hence dropping out 15len last. Any early leader will look huge unders if carved up in front.

If the winner had been the one serving it up to the fav then if would be a case of well played. Instead, it was a $61 chance who had little chance to begin with and absolutely none given the tactics employed.
I didn't say its run was no good. On the contrary, I think it ran well but was beaten by a better horse on the day. If you think things couldn't have turned out worse for Lady Cosmology I won't bother arguing with you any more.
I'm more than happy to have a different opinion. It what makes winning on the punt possible.

So you think the winner's run was better? He's had the perfect run and fallen in. I think the runner up's effort was clearly superior-and I'm sure you've seen enough races where the run of the race has not been the actual winner.

therealkramer · April 2018

TheSwooper said:
Had a quick look. Randy's horse jumped well and was deserving of a chance to get to the front. The problem was that Lady Cosmology flew out and so once his horse got keen, he didn't have too many options. If he sits outside leader, probably still finishes a long last.

Pike could have eased a lot earlier but presume the goal was to lead and have stablemate sit outside him not applying any pressure (or, the stablemate finds the front) - that way giving them both every opportunity.

The problem with that is he had no intention of leading until Valour Road tried to push forward. Tan was content to sit outside Lady Cosmology without cover up to this point. The camera, and the clock don't lie.

Flanders · April 2018

darkshines said:
How you handling losing is the greatest reveal of character. Are they entitled to be shitty? For sure. Would you publicly whinge about it? No, comes across as an elitist wanker.

You put Pike on to have the balls to angle for runs, yet in this he decided very early he was going to have to come around them. Might not have won regardless, but still humorous. Maybe if the jock did form (has publicly stated he doesn't) he would've planned for this better?

Simon Miller has long been known as a massive sook when things don't go to plan. Poor guy.
In regards to the roughy leading- there was always a high likelihood that this would happen so why not factor this in and work around it?

DamienWyer · April 2018

Other than Platoon not being mentioned from the 425M point, it looked just like any other race where a horse with little hope took a chance and it didn't pay off. I think its great that Jockeys and Trainers have a go, organised racing and tactics pay little respect to the sport.

TheDiva · April 2018

therealkramer said:

TheDiva said:
I’m in the rodent camp.
A bookie cheering a fav getting beat. Well I never ;))

I backed the fav but not enough to be bothered about it getting beat. But i call a spade a spade. Yes they're all entitled to ride to win. Riding to beat the fav is another matter altogether though.

im happy for you to keep thinking the way you do... ;)

therealkramer · April 2018

TheDiva said:

therealkramer said:

TheDiva said:
I’m in the rodent camp.
A bookie cheering a fav getting beat. Well I never ;))

I backed the fav but not enough to be bothered about it getting beat. But i call a spade a spade. Yes they're all entitled to ride to win. Riding to beat the fav is another matter altogether though.
im happy for you to keep thinking the way you do... ;)

I don't have an account with you. So far I'm the one that got away :-h

Godd · April 2018

therealkramer said:

Godd said:
It is what it is, that’s how the race panned out , shooter rode the best race and won. Sour grapes by Simon miller... every horse goes out there to win. They can’t say because it was a roughy it shouldn’t of led ... if the leader was 10-1 there would of been nothing said
Ionyx was beaten 2.75len by Lordhelpmerun two starts back when in receipt of 1.5kg. Are you trying to say it's suddenly lost almost 13len? Stop it.

Horses form differs... I’m unsure where your going with this. The best horse on the day won. Simple as that

therealkramer · April 2018

Godd said:

therealkramer said:

Godd said:
It is what it is, that’s how the race panned out , shooter rode the best race and won. Sour grapes by Simon miller... every horse goes out there to win. They can’t say because it was a roughy it shouldn’t of led ... if the leader was 10-1 there would of been nothing said
Ionyx was beaten 2.75len by Lordhelpmerun two starts back when in receipt of 1.5kg. Are you trying to say it's suddenly lost almost 13len? Stop it.
Horses form differs... I’m unsure where your going with this. The best horse on the day won. Simple as that

I don't equate luck with skill. The best horse finished 2nd. The horse that got ALL the breaks won. That's horse racing.

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