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Railway Stakes 2017 - early tips.

West Australian Racing

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Great Shot picking up 2kg on Silverstream and 3.5kg on Material Man on his last runs.. Barrier a bit of an issue but has got across from out there more than once before.

    Will put a dollar on him and Ullman...Happy punting eveyone

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,942 posts
    Ladbrokes : Tom Melbourne to run second in the Railway and second in the Kingston Town - $21. To run second in either race $3.50 . Not great odds. But his record running second lately is good.
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  • NgawyniNgawyni    786 posts
    RIO said:


    RIO said:

    Great Shot picking up 2kg on Silverstream and 3.5kg on Material Man on his last runs.. Barrier a bit of an issue but has got across from out there more than once before.

    Not to mention 4kg on Scales. 

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    @JayJay Tom Melbourne was 2nd to Happy Clapper in the Epsom, right after HC gave Winx a scare in the George Main. TM also has form around Tosen Stardom(beat him when running second in the Kennedy mike (Cantala) who beat Happy Clapper in the Emirates. That's just about as good as form gets imo. Yes , he has a habit of running 2nd but it's the only fault you can find.

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    edited November 2017
    Just for the record, i havent settled on my pick as yet. I will do a proper speed map first but I definitely see Supply And Demand generating a decent tempo and Scales Of Justice gradually working across from his middle barrier(assuming emergencies are scratched). Tom Melbourne could hold the rail if Ollie wanted him to. I think i recall him setting up big leads over longer trips before he went to Waller. Variation, Ulmann and BHB should be able to hold prominent positions from their gates.I think a lot of the others will be settling back and praying for luck which, unless they go mad up in front, won't eventuate.
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  • spinkingspinking    4,001 posts
    Is there a million dollar race on in Perth tomorrow , you wouldn't think so if you picked up todays West . One little section on Nosk getting down to 53 kg and that's it . Well done West Australian

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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    spinking said:

    Is there a million dollar race on in Perth tomorrow , you wouldn't think so if you picked up todays West . One little section on Nosk getting down to 53 kg and that's it . Well done West Australian

    have you checked the front page then.... we can only dream I guess, different story if it was in Vic and it was Melb Cup eve
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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    therealkramer said:

    Just for the record, i havent settled on my pick as yet. I will do a proper speed map first but I definitely see Supply And Demand generating a decent tempo and Scales Of Justice gradually working across from his middle barrier(assuming emergencies are scratched). Tom Melbourne could hold the rail if Ollie wanted him to. I think i recall him setting up big leads over longer trips before he went to Waller. Variation, Ulmann and BHB should be able to hold prominent positions from their gates.I think a lot of the others will be settling back and praying for luck which, unless they go mad up in front, won't eventuate.

    yours wouldn't look nothing like this then?


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  • spinkingspinking    4,001 posts
    Don't get that one Hash front page of my paper is about a toxic hospital and some lucky fellas and there dog who survived stranded on the back of there ute

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,942 posts
    edited November 2017
    Think Material Man maybe in the first six in running..a little too far back on the speed map. A very important ingredient speed maps - overrated too!

    Sectionals another..no doubt important. But if their going hard up front and a horse running 15th and out the back then rattles home hard into 5th or 6th placing...what's the excitement of it running fast closing sectionals ? Don't need to be Einstein to realise it's run a terrific finishing time off the clock...it's been doing no work in the run - so it should run on - and with good times , it goes hand in hand.

    Useful knowledge both but not the be all and end all. Seen too many speed maps go out the door after fifty metres. Things can happen and change fast.

    But good luck to punters who use both consistently - if helps you win , why not.
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  • VoodooVoodoo    1,371 posts
    If Bart has completely recovered from his issues....should be sitting 3 deep with cover and be too good for them......I'm on the BHB train.

    cheers
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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    edited November 2017
    @hash I dont see Scales Of Justice settling in front of Supply And Demand-he has a high cruising speed but not top level speed. It's why he gets beaten at 1400m he will make it across but gradually and really his middle draw is better than 1 or 16 because he will inch fotward rather than use up all his gas. Supply And Demand has no choice-it's drawn wide it either goes forward as soon as the gates open or it sits wide. I can see SOJ outside the leader or one out iif Ollie decides to keep S & D to his outside. As i said, if those three get in a speed duel, the likes of those drawn well that race forward will be the beneficiaries of the perfect suck run.
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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    owner of SOJ said otherwise
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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    @Ridersonthestorm33 Railways are typically won from the front-it's just the way Ascot plays over 1600m generally and speed maps are a gold mine if there's bias in play.

    Look at Luckygray's 2nd Railway though-all the speed was drawn wide. If Fire Up Fifi doesnt keep pushing forward, the champ probably wouldnt have got the speed in the race he needed-the race was slow historically (1:36.75) but almost a second quicker than Ihtsahymn recorded in his dominant Guineas win..

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    hash said:

    owner of SOJ said otherwise


    Lead at all costs? With the extra weight? Wow. It could be a war of attrition then. :)]

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    Dougie familiarizing himself with the winning post


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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    be the last time we see dougie with those new rules from the HKJC...

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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Fastmoney said:

    Dougie familiarizing himself with the winning post


    he walked the track last year still made a blue

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  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts
    how good does the turf look. this new guy must be a gun. No green paint this year. 

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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Also a lot warmer and wetter winter

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
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  • spinkingspinking    4,001 posts

    still looking for his hands he dropped there last year lol

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    wow! it looks superb..hope he doesn't follow his lady back to qld!!!

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    edited November 2017
    @thefalcon  She was always gonna end up back in QLD with a name like BOGENhuber ;))
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  • squid69squid69    1,434 posts
    The more I look at the race, the more I keep coming back to Black Hart Bart.
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  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
    Ridersonthestorm33 said:

    Ladbrokes : Tom Melbourne to run second in the Railway and second in the Kingston Town - $21. To run second in either race $3.50 . Not great odds. But his record running second lately is good.

    Problem was the markets were still All-In even after final field for the Railway.

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  • howieblewitthowieblewitt    30 posts
    thefalcon said:

    wow! it looks superb..hope he doesn't follow his lady back to qld!!!

    I haven't seen the track look this good in years, what ever he is doing give this guy the key to the city. I just hope the Directors think the same, unfortunately that might not be true as they have their own agenda and maybe they should leave the decision to PR management.
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  • howieblewitthowieblewitt    30 posts
    Also maybe PR should give pay rises to people that actually deserve it and not want it. IMOO

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