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Ascot 25th Feb - Winners & Losers

West Australian Racing
PerthTurfTalkPerthTurfTalk    3,054 posts
edited February 2017 West Australian Racing

Race 1

Why They Win – Eleven Seconds

Second attempt at 2200m should see him improved enough to give this a real shake. Was forced to tow the field up to pace-maker and serial pest Kirov Boy and by the time he reached the front the gauge read empty. Off a soft run behind likely leader I Done It he can prove too strong.

Why They Lose – Toppa Dawozza

Has only won 2 races from 44 and while he is a nice genuine type of galloper he lacks the killer blow necessary to win Saturday races. Is only a 65 rater so could easily contest a lot easier assignments than this and looks destined to run another encouraging minor placing without troubling the photographers in the winners’ enclosure.

Race 2

Why They Win – You Am I

Green, raw type still very new to racing who was sent back to trials by astute South West trainer Michael Lane for a couple of educational efforts over the short course. His most recent jump out over 600m was a grand effort knocking off Fine Scent, an unraced $210 000 All Too Hard filly who figures prominently in Karrakatta Markets. Looks a very good bet at $3.50.

Why They Lose – Riasc

Tipped by a number of reputable form analysts both on debut and first-up in the 2 year old Magic Millions race. While he was held up at crucial stages and forced into the wrong part of the water soaked Pinjarra track the effort was still only fair. Drawn awkwardly in barrier 10 he will likely concede a start to You Am I and spend the entire race looking at that galloper’s heels.


Race 3

Why They Win – Presentatie

Not an overly strong Bob Peters representative, yet to win in Western Australia and has a habit of missing the kick. From the wide draw Smith should settle her down last and she has, without doubt, the best turn of foot in this race. Comes from stronger form lines than the majority of this field and gets her best chance yet to notch a maiden WA victory coming off the back of a hot top end tempo.

Why They Lose – Universal Moon

Really lost her way over the past 18 months after building up a pretty handy career strike-rate. Has turned it around of late since David Harrison changed her training schedule, putting her over jumps, keeping her to 1000m and leading. She is drawn awkwardly, steps up to 1100m and loses the services of French hoop Mattieu Autier who has been able to successfully get her out of the gates recently.


Race 4

Why They Win – Just Act Natural

Deserves favoritism on the back of his all the way win in the Bunbury Sizzle defeating Miss Sondrio, Real Icon and subsequent winner Another Vision. Last start was well commissioned, drifted back in running over 1000m and never looked a threat. Back up to 1100m and drawn a gate to dominate the race on speed he looks the one to beat.

Why They Lose – Patrimonio

Has won all 3 of his career races first-up fresh. His last start effort behind Danefin was only average, he enjoyed the run of the race from barrier 1, had his chance to get out and make an impact on the race and failed to finish it off. This is arguably a step up in class and he looks under the odds.

Race 5

Why They Win – Gatting

On weights, ratings, sectional times and every measure under the sun he looks without doubt the best bet on the card. $3.40 was chewed up nationwide within minutes of markets opening and it would be no surprise to see him close closer to the $2.50 mark. His form around Precious Memories and then the older horses in Eleven Seconds and most recently Man Booker make him very, very hard to beat. He will be the shortest gelding in the Derby markets behind fillies Ellicazoom, Royal Star and Awaken and looks poised to notch his first Listed Victory.

Why They Lose – Sky Atlas

Ran a pretty handy mid week mile behind Fremond last start after grinding away first-up at 1400m behind Awesome As. That form is all questionable and without W.Pike in the saddle looks as though he is a step below the genuine winning chances.


Race 6

Why They Win – Spanged Impact

Probably has the ‘best’ form in a very evenly graded 3 year old 1200m. Her form beaten only 1 length in 72+ grade by Bombs Away and then less than a length by Salorsci and Precious Memories looks to be on paper the better form-lines in this race. Should enjoy a soft run from barrier 1 and make her presence felt.

Why They Lose – Bounce Down

Taking nothing away from Bounce Down who has won two on the Bounce and is piloted by one of the most in-form hoops Chris Parnham, however, has come up remarkably short at only $4. The win at Bunbury was in moderate time and then was handed the race on a platter in midweek grade on a ridiculously leader bias track with the rail at 15m. This is harder and he is under the odds.


Race 7

Why They Win – Pounamu

Anyone doing paper form will look at the weights from the last start victory of Pounamu when he defeated Tonto, Rosmartini, Already Famous, Falcon Crest and Temporise and think ‘well he just wins again’ and that’s probably how this race will pan out. My biggest concern is the fact he seems to run his best races fresh and potentially only 14 days between runs is not enough. That is clutching at straws because in his rich vein of form and down at a luxurious 55kg this race looks his for the taking.

Why They Lose – Already Famous

Ran his typical eye-catching first-up fresh sprint effort over 1600m against Pounamu when returning from a 2 month let up. He normally grinds away second-up from that sort of spacing so willing to risk him.


Race 8

Why They Win – Shady Gray

Excited to see the blinkers added to race gear for Shady Gray. 3 weeks between runs, 1500m back to 1100m, drawn an outside gate which dictates he will be ridden back in the field and blinkers added to race gear. At the $6 eachway Shady Gray can definitely win.

Why They Lose – Dezzies Dream

Has won 4 of her 5 career races first-up from a spell and without the services of William Pike looks to be the runner in the market which we can risk. I’ll be playing It’s It, Red Paddy and Shady Gray in the final leg of the quaddie.  
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Comments

  • ChrisChris    5,734 posts
    Yes Gatting, looks the best on the card
  • ThumperThumper    820 posts
    Just act natural, not much depth in the race and conditions likely to suit

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  • ThumperThumper    820 posts
    Temporise is worth a few dollars at long odds
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    Thumper said:

    Just act natural, not much depth in the race and conditions likely to suit

    agree, will bounce back this week and the rider change although not positive should make the difference... @TheDiva I wonder why they've given GS the flick? horse is carrying the grandstand and he's the best top weight jock going round, doesn't make sense seeing as though he's been on it for 9 of it 10 career runs
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    59.5kg is why they've gone for witten... which is no big deal. 
    the key for me is the blinkers being removed... perhaps theyre going to try and sit? 
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    59.5 over 1100m is bugger all, stick with the original jockey, he's ridden and won on it 9 times out of it's 10 runs.. crazy decision 
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Yep i reckon JAN is a risk tomoz! That pretty avg last run attributed to the blinkers? Pass..

    i'll punt on Twelve Rounds who can win back to 1100, barrier 4 and Knuckey on.

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  • jumjum    3,581 posts
    I think Just Act Natural.  Will Jump, Lead And Win @ around even money tomorrow
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    jum said:

    I think Just Act Natural.  Will Jump, Lead And Win @ around even money tomorrow

    mate it's $3.20 and solid... get down the pub and have something on it fixed

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  • ThumperThumper    820 posts
    I'd be very surprised if they didn't try and lead given there isn't much speed in the race and conditions should be favorable. However if they did want a sit, from barrier one it should end up behind the leader and given the way it finished off last week should just be a matter of getting clear running at the top of the straight.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,488 posts
    in the race before do not overlook a little mare called Le Patron.... ;)
  • ChelseaChelsea    1,369 posts
    So far (after race 5 ) WHY THEY WIN 0 winners WHY THEY LOOSE 2winners

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  • ThumperThumper    820 posts
    Did Kate hit the panic button a bit to soon on Just Act Natural. World was about to open up in front of her. That bump did the horse no favors. 
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    just not good enough (horse and jockey) no disrespect, she just looked to have lacked that vigor in the last couple hundred when the whips were cracking

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  • jumjum    3,581 posts
    hash said:

    jum said:

    I think Just Act Natural.  Will Jump, Lead And Win @ around even money tomorrow

    I did
    mate it's $3.20 and solid... get down the pub and have something on it fixed

    X_X and got burned
  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    Chelsea said:

    So far (after race 5 ) WHY THEY WIN 0 winners WHY THEY LOOSE 2winners

    I saw that after the first couple & ignored this topic thereafter  :D
  • AmtheoneAmtheone    41 posts
    The preview above makes references to Pre-Post markets. What has happened to the Derby & Oaks markets ? They appear to have completely vanished. 
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    yep as expected, they would be adjusting them accordingly after a few surprise results from the weekend.. hopefully @OliversTwist can shed some light for us
  • AmtheoneAmtheone    41 posts
    In reality the markets are for show anyway. I went down to the TAB Saturday to have a bet & the max I could get on the horse I wanted to back was $4. Embarrassing by the WA TAB. 

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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    the market was left open on saturday arvo during the meeting and still for quite sometime after the last which was very unusual I thought.. someone has stuffed up at the tab it seems and it's not the first time they've done it recently  ;)
  • AmtheoneAmtheone    41 posts
    Luckily for them you can't lose much when cash punters can get a max bet of $4 on. How hard is it to adjust a pre-post market surely doesn't take 48 hours.  
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    Amtheone said:

    In reality the markets are for show anyway. I went down to the TAB Saturday to have a bet & the max I could get on the horse I wanted to back was $4. Embarrassing by the WA TAB. 

    i think if you call up the operators might be able to get you on for more, if not they can request selection you want to have the bet limit increased... my first bet (3 figures got on no problem) then the next for a quarter of the amount went on, then it was the next few that had to be put on in $5 single bets (no limit though)
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,488 posts
    you've got too much money, hash.... :-B

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  • OliversTwistOliversTwist    1,240 posts
    edited February 2017
    There shouldnt be any issue with limits (for a normal sized online punter). Know one punter that successfully placed 4000 on Achernar Star at $8 so the limits are quite large.
    Over weekends and non-business hours the limits on a horse are automatically shut once reached, so in theory if there is only $4 left before the limit held on a horse is reached then the max bet will be $4 until the horse is shortened.
    Now as for flagged accounts thats a different story and I will not defend that. In my eyes flagged accounts are hypocrotical and utter crap. Corporates would never cut a punter off for losing too much....

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts

     Over weekends and non-business hours the limits on a horse are automatically shut once reached, so in theory if there is only $4 left before the limit held on a horse is reached then the max bet will be $4 until the horse is shortened.

    Understand non-business hours but surely over weekends (biggest turnover) the fixed odds reaction times should be quicker.

    Allowing a fixed price to hit their limit and only reacting after multiple bets are limited is bad business.


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  • AmtheoneAmtheone    41 posts
    3pm Saturday should be normal business hours.

    If the limit has been reached then why hasn't the horse firmed so punters can at least get a bet on with presumably a new limit. Another example how bad it is having William Hill manage a WA TAB book. 
  • JellJell    1,202 posts
    Went to put 20x80 on Mate's Reward on Saturday and could only get on for $14 the place. Absolute joke, had to get the TAB lady to ring up for me to get it on.
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    edited February 2017

    There shouldnt be any issue with limits (for a normal sized online punter). Know one punter that successfully placed 4000 on Achernar Star at $8 so the limits are quite large. 

    does it not also depend on the horses chances given to the people responsible framing those markets, of course they're gonna let you on for 4 grand if they "know" the horses chances are little to none from an insider or in house form analysis etc 

    or another theory, depending on a horse price, yes they'll let you on for 4k on an even money shot, but try putting 500 down on a 20/1 pop and i bet then you'll see a limit reached or exceeded, it's all about the liability they stand to lose, does it not 
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Thumper said:

    Did Kate hit the panic button a bit to soon on Just Act Natural. World was about to open up in front of her. That bump did the horse no favors. 

    I told you the key was "blinkers off" and they didnt push up and try and lead with which in my opinion is a natural front runner. They didnt run the first 500m all that quickly either... 
    Leading with the shades would have been a different story. 
    That race was GIFTED to tenterden in front. The two 1100m's prior ran it much faster the first half... that includes the 2yos...

    Kates mistake was not bumping another runner in the straight... if anything... it was allowing Tenterden to lead... 

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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    Amtheone said:

    Another example how bad it is having William Hill manage a WA TAB book. 
    what's wrong with William Hill? they're one of the first to release their prices for the saturday racing
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