Tower of Lonhro run Pinjarra Cup

incredulous · April 2016

I never join blogs or forums but after watching the Pinjarra Cup I am incensed.

Is it only me or did anyone see the ride on Tower Of Lonhro?

Watching the race I kept calling to the screen for Pike to start his run.

At about the 800m the horse was last and had his mouth open, looking as though he wanted to run, to go faster.

Inexplicably Pike stuck to the rail in last place.

The stablemate Saxy Grace took off to commence her run and I thought yes, Pike will go now to get a trail into the race.

He didn't but chose to wait. At this point I thought he can't win.

Knowing the horse, he has often made long sustained runs.

Pike waited until straightening to make his run but was never going to win.

He produced a big finish to get within a neck of the winner.

I really couldn't believe what I had just seen.

The horse would have won clearly had he been allowed to get into the race from the 800m or even the 600m.

I looked at the replay several times, and found it hard to believe what I had just witnessed.

Pike is a genius rider, but to make such an "error of judgement" is just not plausible.

As much as I love Pike as a rider there simply must be a stewards enquiry into the run.

If there is a reason for why he waited so long to make his run I think punters are entitled to hear the explanation.

I urge readers of this forum to view the replay and express their opinion.

paraletic · April 2016

Tried to have a look on cris but its the only race without a replay :-?? :-?

incredulous · April 2016

go to the sky racing website, if you have a tab or sky account, it's there.

Rodent · April 2016

I think you're talking through your kick. The ride seemed fine to me and I didn't bet on the race.

TheDiva · April 2016

Completely out of line in my opinion. Pike probably saved a length or two by drifting out on the corner rather than tracking 5 or 6 wide like Saxy grace.
You need to cop that on the chin I'm afraid.

Ridersonthestorm33 · April 2016

Great run Tower Of Lohnro also thought the winner was super impressive. Think this is a stayer well and truly on the way up.

jum · April 2016

No need for an enquiry @incredulous. But I do believe TOL wins if pike takes of earlier.

Agree with Diva, he covers extra ground. But still wins if pike gets moving earlier. 1st and 2nd certainly had the rest of them covered

Legless · April 2016

Trainer looked absolutely livid immediately after the race - have no idea as to why however did not appear to be a happy camper

incredulous · April 2016

Jum, you agree yet don't query why Pike didn't take off earlier?

Legless sums it up right there. It is obvious why Durrant was livid!!!

I don't know how experienced some of you others are and whether you know the horse.

The horse is renowned for long sustained runs.

I make some further points.

1) You can't expect a horse to come from last on the turn and win in that company, especially in a big field.

2) If you look closely you will see the horse looks to be bolting at the 800m with its mouth open, wanting to go. If a horse is travelling that well why wouldn't you improve?

3) That is not the way Pike usually rides. The horse wasn't under pressure in last place he was bolting. Pike always puts his horses into the race if they are travelling well, like Saxy Grace did.

It wasn't an average or inexperienced rider, the reason Pike is by far the superior jockey in WA is because he takes the best option and performs "miracle" rides.

It sounds like the trainer Adam Durrant agreed with me.

jum · April 2016

1) Chautaqua did on Saturday and that was group 1 not an ordinary cup field

2) Yes, I think Pike had an error of judgement. And should have got on his bike @ the 800. But the race was run at a pretty solid tempo. He beats everything else Comfortably. I just don't think he expected Zarantz to kick that much in the straight. After all he only lost by a neck and beat the rest by 3.

To call for an enquiry after that would be Farcical. Especially with some of the other shiit that goes on in other races.

Yes Adam probably was Dark as Kahmel on the ride. I would have been ropable too if I had an interest in the horse. But it is the first time Pike has ridden the horse.

Rodent · April 2016

@incredulous 11 of its 13 wins have been at or below 1800m. 9 wins at or below 1600m. Its only win beyond 2000m was a 6 horse field at 2100m where they dawdled and it sat back and outsprinted them. Yet you seem to think he should have let it slide wide at the 800m mark over 2300m and tried to outstay them. I think Pike did the right thing.

TheDiva · April 2016

if he took off at the 800m as you suggest, he's 7-8 wide on the bend. He'd have lost the ground he made by cutting the corner when he did. the result was, he was right on the back of Saxy Grace.

How do you know Adam wasnt livid becuase he'd just been beaten a lip?

Replay for those who want to make up their own minds: http://bit.ly/1qiiZYq ;

carey · April 2016

i don't think there is any doubt that tol can run the trip fine in that class.
but if it was suspect, and from what i can see the pace was good, then no way should it be way back where it was.
i think pike has a fundamental problem whenever he draws wide, in that he tends to go right angles to the fence and drops right out before he has any inkling of what the pace is like.

but i reckon you could run that race 10 times and lucy warwick would have beaten pike each time, no matter how he rode it.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · April 2016

I was surprised Saxy took off ahead of Tower.

paraletic · April 2016

to be honest I cant stand Jockeys that don't put a horse into the race, I see it as being negative. the option was there, and he didn't take it. I would rather a horse be 5 deep around the corner and with clear room than running for luck, nothing shits me off more than that. Bad ride pike.

TheDiva · April 2016

he ran into no dead ends that i saw?

jum · April 2016

The Diva said:
he ran into no dead ends that i saw?

But the horse was given no rein until after straightening. And was coming like a steam train to get beaten a neck. Too me the horse had plenty to give. If given the chance.

Like Carey said, if pike had not of gone right angles to be last and on the fence. He would have had the whole straight to find a nice position the way the tempo was early. On the replay, he could have slotted the horse anywhere he liked in the straight. What I do disagree with Carey is there is no way in the world Zarantz beats Tower 10 times if race is run 10 different times.

To me Tower of Lohnro was SOMETHING beaten. BUT THAT IS RACING lads and it happens more often than not. Great little thread @incredulous. I like these discussions

;)

buffy · April 2016

If you want to criticise rides check out the ride on The Director in race 6 And i am talking through my kick.

paraletic · April 2016

The Diva said:
he ran into no dead ends that i saw?

Did I say he ran into a dead end in this race? was more a generalised comment.

BobbyDavis · April 2016

buffy said:
If you want to criticise rides check out the ride on The Director in race 6 And i am talking through my kick.

Shhhh

TheDiva · April 2016

paraletic said:

The Diva said:
he ran into no dead ends that i saw?
Did I say he ran into a dead end in this race? was more a generalised comment.

so he rode for luck and he got luck...

paraletic · April 2016

The Diva said:

paraletic said:

The Diva said:
he ran into no dead ends that i saw?
Did I say he ran into a dead end in this race? was more a generalised comment.
so he rode for luck and he got luck...

rode for luck, got luck and got beat. Would rather see it get into the race, go wide if you have to and get beat. Leave nothing to the imagination. that's just me.

Jordan · April 2016

What if he did that and the horse ran 4th ?

paraletic · April 2016

too bad so sad. as a punter I would wear that. What happens if he rides for luck and gets 6th??

TheSwooper · April 2016

I'm fairly confident Carey is right. Pike thought he had em covered. Knew he had plenty of petrol and as they had gone quite quick throughout the race he maybe never anticipated anything staying on as well as they did. Zarantz was just too good on the day.

If you go back to when they met in the Bunbury Cup, Zarantz sat behind TOL and outsprinted him quite easily, although TOL was slgihtly checked when he went past him. Obviously TOL stripped fitter, but so did Zarantz.

brady · April 2016

incredulous said:
Jum, you agree yet don't query why Pike didn't take off earlier?
Legless sums it up right there. It is obvious why Durrant was livid!!!
I don't know how experienced some of you others are and whether you know the horse.
The horse is renowned for long sustained runs.
I make some further points.
1) You can't expect a horse to come from last on the turn and win in that company, especially in a big field.
2) If you look closely you will see the horse looks to be bolting at the 800m with its mouth open, wanting to go. If a horse is travelling that well why wouldn't you improve?
3) That is not the way Pike usually rides. The horse wasn't under pressure in last place he was bolting. Pike always puts his horses into the race if they are travelling well, like Saxy Grace did.
It wasn't an average or inexperienced rider, the reason Pike is by far the superior jockey in WA is because he takes the best option and performs "miracle" rides.
It sounds like the trainer Adam Durrant agreed with me.

TOL
Needs to be held back for final crack at them
Only has a short sprint
If he had gone early would have been beat a long way from home
I think it was a very good ride
Saved ground and almost won
Incredulous you obviously don't watch
Many replays
Pikey is so much better then most of the jocks
In Perth it's not funny !

ColourfulRD · April 2016

Should have trotted in, Pikey missed the boat. He didn't need to "take off" at the 900 but should have made a fwd move, I think he should have been in front of Saxy Grace at the 600m instead of behind it running last travelling. The run was enormous.

When the inside runs come and he wins he is lauded as a Genius, but nothing said when they don't come and they get beat, it's happened quite a bit over the last few months. All my opinion

Will be awhile before Zarantz beats it again

Voodoo · April 2016

Unfortunate....Hindsite is a wonderful thing....
Shoulda...coulda...woulda...
You spit it cause you were beaten, but at the end of the day... honors with the winner.

cheers

dungy · April 2016

carey said:
i don't think there is any doubt that tol can run the trip fine in that class.
but if it was suspect, and from what i can see the pace was good, then no way should it be way back where it was.
i think pike has a fundamental problem whenever he draws wide, in that he tends to go right angles to the fence and drops right out before he has any inkling of what the pace is like.

but i reckon you could run that race 10 times and lucy warwick would have beaten pike each time, no matter how he rode it.

Carey so he pushes forward from the outside marble on a horse that doesnt like to be bussled out of the gate and gets stuck 3 and 4 deep with the top weight the entire trip ?? then how would his ride be judged by your good self ??? Then you would have hung him anyway doesn't matter what he would have done there you only comment on his carve ups every odd weekend when he lands trebles and doubles no word from you ,,,funny that have a good day

dungy · April 2016

brady said:

incredulous said:
Jum, you agree yet don't query why Pike didn't take off earlier?
Legless sums it up right there. It is obvious why Durrant was livid!!!
I don't know how experienced some of you others are and whether you know the horse.
The horse is renowned for long sustained runs.
I make some further points.
1) You can't expect a horse to come from last on the turn and win in that company, especially in a big field.
2) If you look closely you will see the horse looks to be bolting at the 800m with its mouth open, wanting to go. If a horse is travelling that well why wouldn't you improve?
3) That is not the way Pike usually rides. The horse wasn't under pressure in last place he was bolting. Pike always puts his horses into the race if they are travelling well, like Saxy Grace did.
It wasn't an average or inexperienced rider, the reason Pike is by far the superior jockey in WA is because he takes the best option and performs "miracle" rides.
It sounds like the trainer Adam Durrant agreed with me.

TOL
Needs to be held back for final crack at them
Only has a short sprint
If he had gone early would have been beat a long way from home
I think it was a very good ride
Saved ground and almost won
Incredulous you obviously don't watch
Many replays
Pikey is so much better then most of the jocks
In Perth it's not funny !

Nailed it Brady !!!!I have listened to Durrant before on radio saying this horse has to find its feet and be held up for 1 shot at them but he is an average trainer like the jockey I suppose LOL

notapunta · April 2016

I was on T.O.L so obviously would have liked the win haha. Usually I'm a Willie Pike nitpicker but seen nothing wrong with the ride. Had the money back special on tabtouch if the horse comes 2nd or 3rd so no skin off my nose!

G'day Punter!

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