GP 14/08/15

Gilgamesh · August 2015

R1: I Think 1 Bettors Gem probably has the speed to lead which in a roundabout way could make it for the favourite. I think it is likely she will choose to hold up against Massive Attack and then hand up to Nuala and it would be all she wrote. If Massive Attack did get the front though she is more than capable of running a rate that would test the fav first up. Don’t think Bettors Gem can run quick enough to play her own part in the finish. I have to include Sea Me Smile in case something mad happens to the fav two. Foxy Dame continues to run well but again she is likely to have all the good ones in front of her.
Tip: 8 Nuala. Quad: 4,6,8. No Bet.

R2: 1 Ideal Alice is short and likely to lead all the way. She does like to run along though so she will be giving others their chance. I suspect 6 Kiralin will come out guns a blazing looking to cross the 1 but the likelihood is she will land the breeze and give the 1,1 to stablemate Where Dreams Grow. At $16/$3.25 bet365 she is worth an EW bet for me. Forget her last run as she took of early and pulled like a train, she will enjoy the 1,1 and can sprint really quickly. Jungle Jewel was great last week but with the run she will get I can’t see her winning, I can’t see her not running into it though. It could be a pegs race for the FF and the Hawkins have their horses going well so expect Just Jamie to be in it. If 11 Nightwatchlady goes straight to the fence she can get back end of FF and I thought My Samantha Jane was pretty good the other day, if she gets gaps she will rattle.
Tip: 2 Where Dreams Grow. Quad: 1,2,6. Bet: EW Where Dreams Grow. FF: 1,2/1,2,6,10/1,2,6,8,10/1,2,6,8,10,11,12. 100% costs $72, wont be playing for much.

R3: This is the kind of race where I tend to go wide and the fav wins, the more I look at it the more I think it will happen again. I think 1 Anvils Big Punt although predominantly a stand horse has the speed to hold up. Mapua Legend camp wants to go forward and then look for cover, don’t see it crossing the 1. So in that scenario Hes Righthererightnow rolls to the front and is extremely hard to beat. If the 1 decided it wanted to hold up or the 2 went ultra aggressive it could change things. I suspect though he’ll lead and Glowbright will lob outside of him, Glowbright is flying and wouldn’t surprise me if he got up. Initially thought once again this isn’t Why Live Dangerously’s race but the 11 may go to the rails so he might lob straight into the moving line without doing a thing and in that role he is dangerous. I have to include Lombo Toscanini, he was hopelessly held up last start, no idea how he is going but don’t want to be beaten by him.Tip: 3 He’s Righthererightnow. Quad: 1,3,4,5,8. Bet: Can’t believe how short why live dangerously is, if he gets to EW I’ll back him. Tri:3,4/1,3,4,5,8/1,3,4,5,8. 100% costs $24.

R4: Should only need two in the last leg of the early quad and really probably only need one. 1 Ima Peregrine looks to be the early leader this time and in that position he can run very well. His problem unfortunately is that he is probably going to cop a lot of early pressure, Onedin Crusader will look to go forward early but I expect Authorised to come out humming and if he gets across early to the breeze I suspect we will see High Courage come and have his turn. Cyamach was massive last week and to me it looks like it will be set up for him, he hasn’t got the job done for a few runs though so I will also include Soho Lennon who probably should have got it done last week but if he’s at the back and they are running he has to be a chance.Tip: 7 Cyamach. Quad: 1,7,9. No bet.

R5: Hall camp wants to try and hold up with Algranco Under Fire so if Condrieu is to lead he may have to do some work. He’s shown he can running a 35.5 lead time and 1.55.5 rate. Algranco has never run anywhere near that lead time but after watching some replays I do give him some chance of holding up, obviously a completely different race if that happens. There are horses with a bit of speed in between them which could help Algranco. It could be throwing money away in the quad but I’m going to have to include the 2 Lunar Tide in case Condrieu does something wrong as it will be sitting nice and close, as the form comments say Ohoka Kentucky can be the blowout horse. I’m also going to take 10 Ohoka Squire for a tiny quad share, I’d never forgive myself if a horse in form sat leaders back or 3 back and got up at odds after a speed battle. Condrieu is in another world in terms of ability and if he brings it he leads and wins but he has to do that and I’m willing to play a few other in case he doesn’t. Tip: 6 Condrieu. Quad:1,2,6,8,12 for different percentages. No Bet.

R6: This would have been a fantastic race if a couple of the horses drawn out wide were in another stable as they both have excellent gate speed and we might have seen them come out firing. We are likely to see a race though without any early pressure. It’s for that reason that I think they have to go forward with Our Jimmy Johnstone and I have him as a real chance of winning. He was fantastic two starts back and never got his chance to really wind up early last start, he can breeze and really show something. The two Hall favourites have built up really good records but I’m still not convinced 1) How good they actually are 2) How good they are going at this point in time. Obviously though they are the ones to beat.
Tip: 7 Our Jimmy Johnstone. Quad: 2,3,7. Bet Our Jimmy Johnstone EW.

R7: This is a fantastic race. 9 Norvic Nightowl was ultra impressive Monday but this is harder and there are plenty lining up to beat him at the short quote. Oliveri mentioned a while ago this was the race he was setting Chief Thunder Cloud for and he runs all day, he’s one you can guarantee will be in the finish. I would want to see Danieljohn driven ultra conservatively but I suspect he wont be. I hve a feeling Awesome Teddy might be able to get away cleanly, get to the front and be really hard to get past. I have also loved the way Our Amazing Art has been going and tucked away on the fence he is a real blowout hope. Norvic Nightowl is obviously the class and deserves to be the short quote but over this distance drivers can get itchy fingers and anything can happen. Rocky Marciano was my blowout horse last week and I was a bit disappointed in him but I suspect after that run he is one who will be driven ultra quiet so I will have to throw him in.
Tip: 9 Norvic Nightowl. Quad 1,4,5,6,8,9. Bet: At the $2.70 currently on Spotsbet I think he is worth a bet.

R8: Barrow Street is no star and has only won one out of fifteen this season but his current form suggests he’s in a happy place. This time last year he was pulled on early by Keeper OF Keys to run a 36 flat lead time then copped pressure from a couple of other runners but he won convincingly in 1.57.2. There are parallels in this in that I can’t see Reed not at least having a look at him early on Northview Cardle. I think the only way he could cross is if Barrow Street goes rough or as happens occasionally with a Bond runner they can just throw up a run where they are sluggish early. I have to include Cardle in the quad for that reason. I like Suspicious Behavia but I don’t think he can run a quick enough quarter to win. Vertical Four will get a lovely trip but I can’t see him running over either 1or2 leading. Znana is the blowout horse if they go mental early as is Responder.
Tip: 1 Barrow Street. Quad 1,2. No Bet.

R9: Glennferrie Rustler works his way to the top and just wins. Don’t like the $1.20 but I think taking him to win the FF and anchoring Lively Attide to run somewhere in the other placings can return a bit better. Tip: 8 Glennferrie Rustler. Bet: FF:8/7/1,3,5,6,9,10,11/S3 for a couple of dollars then rotate 7 through.

R10: The trap of the westbred draws me in again. A lot of these struggle to run 2.2 mile rates which I think will suit Choccywoccy down to the ground. After having expectations placed on her at her last few runs and cracking under that pressure I think she can be the sleeper tonight and get over them at a decent price.
Tip:5 Choccywoccy. Bet: EW Choccywoccy.

TSS · August 2015

Replays not been uploaded as fast as usual tonight.

Gilgamesh · August 2015

That's it for me, i'm done. I wanted to believe the best but WA harness racing is stuffed, completely stuffed.

Gilgamesh · August 2015

A warning will be issued, horse placed on it's last chance to race competitively. Bla bla bladidy bla.

rooster321 · August 2015

Deja vu.......

Chariotsonfire · August 2015

The worst part was Lauren Jones not wanting to drop onto Elegant Christians back. Her job was to keep Our Jimmy Johnstone out as long as possible.

Glad I decided some months ago not to take part in these races, slowly driving the industry into the ground.

Didn't stop them complaining last week when Onedin Crusader kept out Cyamach at the bell, all one way traffic.

Elitist · August 2015

Maddie Brown got them back in the marathon.

G-Mac · August 2015

It's a three act play.
Disgust at what you watch unfold.
Three days later. Disgust at what the stewards don't say.
Three days later. Disgust at what you watch unfold.
Rinse and repeat.

Not my money.

JayJay · August 2015

Speechless really...how can they keep a straight face? Well, actually they don't......just an almost permanent smirk. Anyone want to open the betting on where the adjourned inquiry will end up?

G-Mac · August 2015

JayJay said:
Speechless really...how can they keep a straight face? Well, actually they don't......just an almost permanent smirk. Anyone want to open the betting on where the adjourned inquiry will end up?

G-Mac · August 2015

'Comments noted' would be my bet Jay Jay.

This is a bad look when the harness racing world is watching. The GP crew have done a lot of work to get the attention of people in the US and Europe with the ID coming up. Time for RWWA to play their part.

JayJay · August 2015

It is extremely difficult to watch what is happening each week (as an old timer with a long time involvement and a sentimental attachment to the game) but when I see die hards like Gigamesh (and others) throw their hands in the air and go "enough is enough, no more", then there is something terribly wrong. Of course, before I get jumped on, the past was never squeaky clean, there has always been suspect driving and so on, it isn't something confined to the current era...but the last 12 months (at least...maybe longer) appear farcical, not even a pretense of integrity in the racing.
"Comments or explanation noted along with an expectation to drive the horse to its best advantage" is a short priced outcome from the inquiry along with the "stood down 6 days, one trial" rubbish.....implying it's the horses fault, no human involvement at all. Not that the TAB rely on my investments to boost turnover but I rarely have a bet these days ...very rarely....I would like to but I'm better off buying scratchies.

sonny · August 2015

Totally agree with you JayJay. It's a bad look for the up coming Inters. .Punters are deserting in droves. My interstate Harness associates rang after the race laughing....but they will be here for the Inters.

Gilgamesh · August 2015

Dam it what did i miss frome the deleted user? Always miss the tyrades haha.

bookielover · August 2015

You didn't miss much Gil.

Just the filthy rantings of a demented lunatic.

sonny · August 2015

When A.D.Turnbull had mulit runners in a race ,the instructions were, each man to his own. No ---- driving ...

everready · August 2015

I remember G j did almost the identical thing many years ago let Kellie tru he got 3 months !!!

JayJay · August 2015

RACE 6: JANE GREEN – HAPPY ANNIVERSARY XX MS PACE (1730M)

MACHTU NZ (Gary Hall Jnr) – Shifted out leaving the back straight on the final occasion. Gave ground over the concluding stages. A subsequent Veterinary examination found nothing amiss. Connections notified Stewards that MACHTU NZ would be inspected by the stable Veterinarian in the ensuing days and any reports will be forwarded to the Stewards. Stood down from racing for 6 days and until such time as the completion of a satisfactory trial. Stewards questioned driver Gary Hall Jnr in regard to the tactics he adopted in particular the reasons for allowing MACHTU NZ to shift up the track in the back straight on the final occasion which gave an inside run to stablemate CLASSIC AMERICAN NZ (Justin Prentice). Mr Hall Jnr put forward that MACHTU NZ did have a tendency to get up the track but he felt that he had only shifted up the track marginally and didn’t believe at the time that there was a run to the inside for another runner to take advantage of. Mr Hall Jnr then put forward that once he realised another runner was taking the inside run he attempted to shift down the track but was unable to do so as CLASSIC AMERICAN NZ had taken the run and got the advantage quickly over MACHTU NZ. Stewards adjourned the inquiry to investigate all aspects of the incident as well as any betting trends that may come available to the Stewards. The inquiry will reconvene at a time and date to be fixed.

Gilgamesh · August 2015

So we are just left to speculate, would be good to get all the camera angles. I don't think the betting records will turn up much for what it"s worth, it looked more of a spur of the moment the one outside me has got the better of me I better not fall back in the stablemates face.

It's a tough judgement to have to make BUT if that is how all footage available point it to be then to make that call is what they have to do be it tough or not.

Offthebit · August 2015

Well said Gilgamesh. Here is a hypathetical question for you. If our Jimmy Johnston was the horse behind machtu, do you think he would have drifted up the track? No bloody way I say. I have said this before on this site, g hall jnr's nickname should be koala........the protected species.

JayJay · August 2015

Any chance that the subsequent vets examination might find a loose tooth or a mouth ulcer that caused Machtu to shift up track? Would it not be appropriate for the horse to be monitored by the official RWWA vet in the days post race? Are we to believe that a vastly experienced reinsman would not be aware just how far his drive had shifted up track...there is a huge difference between shifting up track "marginally and enough room to allow for clear passage to the following horse?

everready · August 2015

The horse held a pretty straight line after the move!!! Maybe get john shreck to run his eye over this one !

thefalcon · August 2015

so theoretically, being stood down for 6 days and completing a trial, the horse could start again this Friday night. :-??

JayJay · August 2015

Yep...trial on Sunday at Byford and into the mix on Friday night. Huge penalty for absolutely ruining a race and further making the joint a laughing stock.

bookielover · August 2015

In about 3 months Gloucester will host the Interdominion.

I would think that a scandal in the industry would be the last thing that Stewards and the Board of WA harness racing would want.

Rubbing out a Hall for alleged team driving would not reflect well on Harness Racing in WA.

Then again, if the Stewards actually had the intestinal fortitude to run the game according to the rules and enforce those rules, they might actually gain the respect of the punting public who pay their wages.

A respect which is at this point in time, non-existent.

Rex · August 2015

bookielover said:
In about 3 months Gloucester will host the Interdominion.

I would think that a scandal in the industry would be the last thing that Stewards and the Board of WA harness racing would want.

Rubbing out a Hall for alleged team driving would not reflect well on Harness Racing in WA.

Then again, if the Stewards actually had the intestinal fortitude to run the game according to the rules and enforce those rules, they might actually gain the respect of the punting public who pay their wages.

A respect which is at this point in time, non-existent.

They are a protected species especially with the current stewards in charge.
I spent over $500,000 buying pacers with considerable success and you couldn't drag me now to a meeting or give me a horse.
The have made a real joke of the industry.

Mick511 · August 2015

Offthebit said:
Well said Gilgamesh. Here is a hypathetical question for you. If our Jimmy Johnston was the horse behind machtu, do you think he would have drifted up the track? No bloody way I say. I have said this before on this site, g hall jnr's nickname should be koala........the protected species.

I think you would find OJJ wouldn't have the point to point speed to take advantage of a half inside run... Could we also say your nickname should be anonymous as im not sure you'd be posting comments like this with your name attached

Mick511 · August 2015

Rex said:

bookielover said:
In about 3 months Gloucester will host the Interdominion.

I would think that a scandal in the industry would be the last thing that Stewards and the Board of WA harness racing would want.

Rubbing out a Hall for alleged team driving would not reflect well on Harness Racing in WA.

Then again, if the Stewards actually had the intestinal fortitude to run the game according to the rules and enforce those rules, they might actually gain the respect of the punting public who pay their wages.

A respect which is at this point in time, non-existent.
They are a protected species especially with the current stewards in charge.
I spent over $500,000 buying pacers with considerable success and you couldn't drag me now to a meeting or give me a horse.
The have made a real joke of the industry.

Well done Rex you've shown your wealth maybe your opinion should be listened to

Chariotsonfire · August 2015

Anonymity rightly or wrongly is the nature of these forums Mick.

You would be entitled to call Offthebit out only if you posted under your own name.

Mick511 · August 2015

Chariotsonfire said:
Anonymity rightly or wrongly is the nature of these forums Mick.

You would be entitled to call Offthebit out only if you posted under your own name.

I did post under my name... Not hard to figure out who i am.

twiggy · August 2015

Hi Mick511

Sorry I have no idea who you are but from your post above I'm assuming that you are in some way, shape or form a participant of the harness racing industry in WA.
In reading your posts, I'm struggling to understand the point you are trying to make?
If my assumptions are correct and you are really concerned with the future of harness racing in WA as opposed to self-interest, then I suggest you read the first few posts of this thread and research the history of Gilgamesh on this forum.
He is (was??) a devoted harness racing follower who has made outstanding contributions to this forum by posting his selections/analysis over a sustained period. For him this incident was the last straw and he appears to have lost faith in the integrity of the industry. I don't think Gilgamesh will mind me calling him a small punter..but these small punters are the life blood of the industry...and if Gilgamesh has had enough, administrators need to take note.
Whether the issues relating to integrity are real or perceived is not important, what is important is that administrators understand there is a problem and tackle it head on! The 'punter' is the industries customer and if the industry isn't looking after it's customers then what future is there for the industry?
A huge inters series at GP for the next however many years isn't going to address the decline in harness racing in WA. It isn't going to be a magic bullet...although it will no doubt put significant $'s in the pockets of the largest stables! Positive/affirmative actions to improve integrity, transparency and initiatives to entice people to punt is what is required.
The sooner administrators and participants eg owners (of which I am one), trainers and drivers understand that the punter is their lifeblood, the sooner all the racing codes (but particularly harness) will have an assured future.
I won't hold my breath!

G'day Punter!

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