WA Oaks 8/5

JayJay · May 2015

Gee, Tricky Styx drawn to win....something extra ordinary would have to happen for her to get beaten from gate 2. Liberty Belle Midfrew returns from gate 1, Sensational Gabby, who looked like she needed a paddock, an interesting runner and Mohegan Sun finally gets a barrier. Lots of the fancies have drawn 1 and 2 across the program ....Elegant Christian scratched?? Probably not a great betting night but quite a few interesting runners.

SHOVHOG · May 2015

Sensational Gabby's last run was a horrible look for harness racing... If she wins tomorrow burn the place down.

rooster321 · May 2015

Surely Greg bond can't be fair dinkum about holding the lead with Donegal kahlum in the oaks, I thought u had to give your horse its best chance of earning and that would be sitting in the slip stream of tricky Styx surely

JayJay · May 2015

He was ....and Donegal ran last. Didn't think Tricky had a hope in Hades of leading but also didn't think she would be 2nd and 3rd last going down the back the last time. It could be argued that DeCampo was a victim of circumstances...it could equally be argued that Foghorn Leghorn would have shown more initiative. Mightn't be an easy filly to drive but for mine, I'd be trying someone else.

rooster321 · May 2015

I'm of the opinion AFD should of went to the breeze b4 JP and JNR came around and I think tricky Styx would of rounded them up in the last 400

kane · May 2015

JayJay said:
He was ....and Donegal ran last. Didn't think Tricky had a hope in Hades of leading but also didn't think she would be 2nd and 3rd last going down the back the last time. It could be argued that DeCampo was a victim of circumstances...it could equally be argued that Foghorn Leghorn would have shown more initiative. Mightn't be an easy filly to drive but for mine, I'd be trying someone else.

rooster321 said:
I'm of the opinion AFD should of went to the breeze b4 JP and JNR came around and I think tricky Styx would of rounded them up in the last 400

If Aiden had of gone before Jnr and J.P and Tricky Styx had of begun to over race (which she has proven in the past she can do) you all would of been saying why would he of driven her contrary to how he normally drives her.

Unfortunately when your main strength is your high speed and you are the hunted not the hunter you have eleven other drivers rating there horses to nullify your sit sprint capacity. I think you guys are forgetting how good Justin's two fillies are and how well both the boys drove to beat Tricky Styx.

To say Aiden's drive lacked initiative really shows how simple minded you guys can be. I'm a long time reader, few time commentor but Jay Jay some of your comments show why you have very little insight into training and driving of the modern era.

To make a statement calling for Aiden's head so to speak is extremely distasteful #granstanddrivers.

AbbysAce · May 2015

31.9 1/4 from 1200 to 800.
He had to make a move then or he couldn't win.
Last 800, 56.1 and he give them 12 to 15mts and was 3 wide.
Remember is was a $150,000 race,

kane · May 2015

Do you think Justin would of allowed a 31.9 had Aiden of taken off, once again if he went at the 1200m and they run a 30.0 into the bell (meaning she has to run a 29.5 roughly to get on top of them) and she had of bottomed out and run 5th or so the punters would be up in arms saying why did he drive her outside her comfort zone.

There is no winning for Aiden you've got to also remember it was 2536m and as good as she went in the derby it was off a soft trip which they virtually walked and run a half. Considering the hand Aiden was dealt last night she finished as close as she was going to.

Ridersonthestorm33 · May 2015

Good comments above its easy on the other side of the fence. Must say I've given it to a few drivers over the years and a race later cheered them home. All done in good spirit , it's an emotional game punting!

AbbysAce · May 2015

Tricky Styx sectionals from 2400
29.96
31.81
31.40
31.91
28.17
27.26
From 2400 to 800, 2.05.08
Last 800 55 40 3 wide
Given no chance,

kane · May 2015

Abby I'm not going to say anymore as your entitled to to your opinion, I've put enough out there for even a punter with limited knowledge and mentality of horse racing can understand the predicament Aiden was in.

I feel sorry for you that you cannot see scenarios in colour form other then black and white.

JayJay · May 2015

How supremely nice of you to grant those with limited knowledge, suspect mentality and colour blindness the opportunity to hold an alternate view. Your gracious sympathy bestowed no doubt with Royal Ascent is warmly appreciated. Of course, in response we will bow upon passing and cease posting views that run counter to yours.

TheDarkHorse · May 2015

Good comments Kane, I see both sides and seeing as they've never driven Tricky Styx any other way...basically ever...and in saying that then I don't think Aiden did anything wrong. Justin and Jnr used their initiative to get ahead of a sit kick filly who was going to be shuffled back. Hell everyone use to bag Jnr for driving quinny soft and relying on his speed because he couldn't do work in races (I'm not comparing Tricky Styx to Im Themightyquinn, merely comparing their racing pattern). Kane is spot on, when you are the hunted, everyone drives to beat you...unfortunately Aiden was in a no win situation.

P.s, well done to connections of first and second and most importantly Justin Prentice, one of the genuine nice guys of the sport!

kane · May 2015

Thanks for your insight The Dark Horse, as I said Jay Jay everyone is entitled to their opinion but to call for someone's head so to speak after doing nothing contrary to what he normally would all because he got beat on an odds on pop was in poor taste.

She was odds on on her ability more then anything, taking into account her racing pattern she was probably under the odds. I'm sure the clever punters who could see how the race would unfold were prepared to risk her and hopefully for there sake they found the winner.

SHOVHOG · May 2015

Interesting points on both sides. What I will say is driving an odds on favourite comes with extra responsibility and extra scrutiny whether you like it or not.

sonny · May 2015

Are you one of the clever one's Kane?

Gilgamesh · May 2015

I'll chime in on the possitive side and focus on the fact that jnrs drive was a ripper. He had a pretty big lull for a couple of months where he wasn't driving well but back to his best at the minute.

@The Dark Horse, could not believe how many times they tried to "take advantage" of a good draw early in Quinnie career only to effectively end his chances. Got better at it late in his career but early on it didn't mater how slow they were going you wanted him sat up.

kane · May 2015

sonny said:
Are you one of the clever one's Kane?

Unfortunately not sonny, as a trainer/driver I'm not allowed to bet.

Gilgamesh · May 2015

Not saying sack DeCampo or anthing of the sort, she isn't my horse so there's others that obviously know her better but I do have an opinion and this is the place for it.

It is very dangerous in racing, particularly harness racing to start putting it out there that your horse can only be driven one way in a race. Clearly it gives others a tactical advantage as they know you wont come around and put pressure on and if they come around and pressure you that you will relent.

You can also convince yourself sometimes that something is there when it really isnt. There is no doubt Tricky Styx has electric late speed. To me though there isn't enough evidence to say that she can't be put into a race and still finish off. I can only see one run where she was asked to make two moves in a race and flopped and that was at her 12th start at the end of her 2yr old seadon where she was entitled to be tired. To my eye it wasn't like she pulled or anything in that run.

She has led and won two races and settled head on chest no worries. She has run the arm but been crossed by Straighttothehilton. Again no worries take the sit, barge out late and win as you like.

Last week the filly that eventually won the Oaks was a barnstorming run late, they didn't take that to mean she had to be driven cold, just that she was a live chance to take out the oaks, jnr gave her every chance and she did the rest. Maybe like her Tricky Styx has a really good sprint on her not just because she's a good sit sprinter but because she's a bloody good horse!!

I don't know exactly if she can make two runs or she cant but if she were mine i'd be going back and looking hard at all if her replays before i pigeon holed her into being a one dimmensional race horse, hate it when horses don't maximise their earnings to their ability.

AbbysAce · May 2015

Had to go at the 1000 to be given a chance of winning.
Roll the dice, $150,000 race,
31.9 coming to the bell please, that is walking.
Wont get too many more chances to run for this amount of money against her age group and sex.

G'day Punter!

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