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another stuffed distance thread!!
West Australian Racing
carey
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sick of this.
so who will they pass the buck to this time?
rwwa duty of care to the punter = zilch = sf = who gives a f....
and that's not taking into account how many races would have different results if they did it correctly.
thus it's not only treating punters with contempt but also owners and trainers.
i have suspected for a long time that bunbury is stuffed distance accuracy wise.
too many nonsense numbers are getting produced from there, so I finally got around to having a look.
now I guess i have to check the other distances.
did i say rwwa gives me the shits with their complete disregard to their duty of care to the people that punt on their races?
If you tack on distance to the 1400 and over races and leave the gate where they normally are, when the rail is out, then why not do the same for 1200,1100 and 1000??
here we have three different rail positions.....true on the 19/10, 3m on the 07/12 and 6m on the 03/12
yet they all start from the same position, but look at the difference coming around the bends.
and they are all the same distance. so they say. jesus no wonder i am getting so many idiotic numbers for bunbury.
fmd the joint is full of people that just don't give a fig.
now i have to check other distances, because i know there is more than that wrong.
that's why the results often times are crap as far as my numbers are concerned, because they are based on **** information courtesy of rwwa lack of duty of care.
they can blame bunbury, but the buck stops with the those that run racing in wa.
did i say run???? jokesville
i have been going on about this since when mr zucal was still there.
and i thought i was slow.
so who will they pass the buck to this time?
rwwa duty of care to the punter = zilch = sf = who gives a f....
and that's not taking into account how many races would have different results if they did it correctly.
thus it's not only treating punters with contempt but also owners and trainers.
i have suspected for a long time that bunbury is stuffed distance accuracy wise.
too many nonsense numbers are getting produced from there, so I finally got around to having a look.
now I guess i have to check the other distances.
did i say rwwa gives me the shits with their complete disregard to their duty of care to the people that punt on their races?
If you tack on distance to the 1400 and over races and leave the gate where they normally are, when the rail is out, then why not do the same for 1200,1100 and 1000??
here we have three different rail positions.....true on the 19/10, 3m on the 07/12 and 6m on the 03/12
yet they all start from the same position, but look at the difference coming around the bends.
and they are all the same distance. so they say. jesus no wonder i am getting so many idiotic numbers for bunbury.
fmd the joint is full of people that just don't give a fig.
now i have to check other distances, because i know there is more than that wrong.
that's why the results often times are crap as far as my numbers are concerned, because they are based on **** information courtesy of rwwa lack of duty of care.
they can blame bunbury, but the buck stops with the those that run racing in wa.
did i say run???? jokesville
i have been going on about this since when mr zucal was still there.
and i thought i was slow.
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maybe i am trying to make a point!!
Darkhorse likes this post.
i have no issue myself if they make them 1210 or whatever.
all i care about is that they are CORRECT, whatever they are.
i know the 1000m and 1100m are going to be up that creek badly too.
but i am just thinking to myself how stupid are they, and me for not checking beforehand.
because they are tacking 10m on to the 1400 metre race for each 3m the rail is out, and leaving the gates in the same position.
as the 1200 will go around the same bend, then if they leave the gates in same possy then those distances should be tacked on to the 1200 too.
but my memory tells me that they used to move the gates forward at the 1200 start, thus it would have been correct to call them 1200, but somewhere along the line those that don't give a stuff stopped doing it(moving gates forward)
so these '1400' metre races on the same days as the 1200m ones, have distances changed as rail goes out.
really if you do that for the 1400, then how stupid are you to not realise the same needs to be done for 1000,1100,1200 if you don't reposition the gates for rail movements??
actually i can't believe anybody could be that friggen dumb?
and that applies to me too, for not checking a long time ago when i first suspected bunbury was crapola as far as distance goes.
mr zucal told me that the stewards had a list to tick off after every factor was hunky dory correct.
but of course that was either bulltwang all the time, or most certainly is since he has been gone anyway.
once the rail is in the meeting position, then somebody should be walking the track with a wheel confirming accuracy.
in fact i am sure i was told that was the procedure that had to be followed.
but they that don't give a fig, because they are in the old boys club, where there is no performance measures in place.
now there is three of them!!!
and once they read this, and if then don't fix it, what more proof of their contempt for the punting public, and owners and trainers, would anybody need?
the reason that i am so pissed off is that i don't even bet, but because some use information i send them, then i feel i am obligated to give them the best i can.
just wish some others in position of power, felt the same way, but obviously they don't.
or else there would not be so many stuff ups, and not just distance wise either.
so here it is probably correct, and shows just how far wrong the distances have become.
fair dinkum.
the 1016 metre races on the 23/11 and 03/12 are much more likely to be 1000m metres rather than 1016.
the rail was out 6m those days, but the gates were positioned a long way forward(16m i assume)
so it's 1000 not 1016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the 1000 metre race yesterday, was much more likely to be a 1008 metres than it is to be 1000.
or thereabouts as it is impossible to follow these guys perfectly
the rail was out 3m yesterday, but the '1000m' race was started from the position it is when the rail is true.
so it is going to be more than 1000m, maybe 1008m at a guess.
the races that have been 1100 metres lately can be either 1100 or 1108 depending on date.
the races that have been 1200 are nearly all wrong, from 4/11 onwards.
whatever, i changed the 1000 & 1016 & some 1100 and all the 1200 distances for this season and miraculously it made all MUCH more sense.
standard deviation are now within normal ranges
so now i am going to take more notice, because it's obvious they don't know if they are arthur or martha.
i would have known long ago if i had checked, because it's obvious to my stuff, when things go beyond the probable.
i wonder how honest they will be in rectifying what has been wrong.
my money would be on that they just ignore it, and let the poor long suffering fools cop it.
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"About four miles start"
Do you think that some WA courses could use signs like these? :-\"
most of what i see wrong i don't even mention, because it's par for the course at rwwa.
i am pretty sure that they think people like me that want disclosure and honesty are nothing but a pain in the arse to them.
if one does a job, then any self respecting person would do their best.
you will see just how much they care about their performances, by how they react to this thread.
i told a former colleague about this yesterday, and he told me he emailed the steward department last night.
as far as i know he has had no response.
i won't do it, because i have done it so many times before, and it's like bashing your head against a brick wall.
in that all you get is talk and no action.
what i can't believe is the acceptance of mediocrity by most in wa.
how many results may be different if photos were correct always, distances were correct always.
surely it does not just affect punters, it affects owners and trainers too.
some on here are quick to criticise me when i complain and they think i am bagging without reason, but where are they today and yesterday i wonder?
maybe silence is golden!!!
this is actually a very big deal in my opinion as far as integrity of the product goes, but it seems nobody really cares, and perhaps that's why they keep doing it because they are never held to account.
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sunday the l/h door almost shut with the hedge couldn't open it all the way up if they tried , with the bit you can see it's got that much calcium build up on it a blind man could see better , surely they have a different system now ???
i/h door? hedge? calcium build up?
one thing i am 100% sure of is that they know this thread is here.
yet, the stewards report is up, and not a mention of the distance stuff up.
distances still stand, and i am 100% sure the 1000 race and the 1200 metre races are wrong distances.
they decide the winner within a hair's breadth from a photo, but don't give a fig about the start being perhaps 16-20 metres wrong from where it should be, or is advertised at.
can somebody tell me why it is important to be as close as possible at the finish, but the can start can be wherever they guess?
what the f... is the difference, as both are very important to which horse wins the race.
Jordan likes this post.
so yes it would be used when necessary.
i wonder how often it gets checked for good working order and accuracy, probably about as often as they make sure that distances are correct.
as the cage the've build and where he records from ( the far south of the cage ) is 3-5m past the post as well
which would also explain why the one with momentum down the outside has been getting the photo when it looks that the other holds on
the link below will explain it.
http://www.brook.com.au/userpages/finishlynx-specs.html
lame likes this post.
once they leave the mounting yard , and what goes on in the boxes above i have NFI
actually sounds like i'ld be a perfect candidate carey :))
if they have gone back further i have no idea, but considering they changed all the track rating to the new nonsense then i guess they will change something far more important, or will they?
respect is something that is earned, i was always told by my parents.
by not saying a word, is in my opinion blatantly dishonest, and an admission that they don't want to own their stuff up.
lets see how long before the next one i find.
already have my doubts about one other track being correct always.
lets see if they can beat me to it!!
my colleague informs me that he still has no reply to his email to head honcho of integrity
i will keep my opinion of that to myself.
don't know.
if you don't know what the distance was, then DON'T PRETEND, fess up and say we have stuffed up and we are not sure.
i just looked at the 23/11/2014 and fell off my chair laughing.
http://www.rwwa.com.au/cris/meeting.aspx?meeting=16190
The gates for the 1000m races and the 1100 WERE actually forward that day, so the 1016 is crap as i have already pointed out, and the 1100 is indeed 1100 not 1116 so that is crap too
what you guys are doing is dishonest.
don't change to try and save face, change because YOU KNOW what needs changing to, not because some idiot called carey reckons you stuffed it.
whatever i thought of the behaviour of rwwa before, it's nothing compared to what i feel now.
it's a perfect example of WHY honesty is always the best policy.
i mean, there is no way one can look stupid if they are honest, because truth is indisputable.
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what a friggen joke wa is.
back to bunbury......
the gates at 1000m have been in the one spot(well about the same) for as long as i have gone back so far, regardless of rail position, and called 1000 although it could be as much as 1016 or more.
the gates at the 1100 can be any which where and called 1100 if it is 1100 or not.
the 1200 is mostly ok until this season as far as i can tell, but they have certainly made up for it in the current season!
at least i know why bunbury has so much variance between expected and actual
what a dog's breakfast.
so now i am busy making templates, so i will know immediately when those that don't care stuff up again, no matter where they stuff up, or where the rail is.
cop that!!
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that's why they look fast when they were no such thing,....well aerozine was but only about a length quicker than expected for that class.
you can't take any notice of the distances on cris for bunbury, because they read this thread, and tried to save face, but all they did was stuff it up further, because they did not actually check where the races started from, so they made a dog's breakfast for 2 instead of 1!!!
as far as the 1000,1100,1200, some of the distances they have changed are right others wrong,