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I'm with you on this one @PuntingTragic. PR sacrificed the derby's G1 staus and it has paid off- the Winterbottom is a genuine drawcard. The spotlight is on perth when it is run, something you could never really say for the derby. There is a lot of sniping about what PR does wrong, but this is something they have got right. Credit where credit is due. :-bd
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The stake of the winterbottom will attract a top class field and who knows what will come out of the Melbourne spring
Bring it on the Winterbottom is now our best race to attract world class sprinters
'sacrificing' is an interesting term to use.
i would have been more inclined to use another word.
it says a lot about how australian racing is run actually.
the derby had not been g1 standard for many many years in the first instance.
but to get g1 for one race by 'sacrificing' the status of another race, is in fact a blight on the administrators of australian racing.
group status is meaningless to gamblers(even ex ones!), but if the winterbottom is a true g1 most years, then
i'm fond of pt and all of his incarnations.
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Not to mention any young guns on the rise in Sydney and Melbourne who could shine in the spring .
BEST race in WA hands down the Winterbottom
Every year, sometimes as early as June, Perth Racing start floating names of who is coming to town for the Winterbottom and Railway Stakes. For the most part, they are a justification of the numerous trips East by Perth Racing staff, in trying to secure nominations for both races. Then the next step is to actually nominate them irrespective of whether they are coming or not.
Eastern States based Trainers are just too polite to upset the applecart, so they say all the right things in interviews when asked about Perth, without actually committing. The reference to aiming a horse for a feature race 'at the end of his campaign' surely is a warning that they see this race as a fall back position for a failed campaign, but should the horse perform in the suggested four races prior, it won't fly over here.
So you keep on believing.
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I would hardly call a race like this with massive prize money one for failures
The Buff came here at the peak of his game last year
All Hail Lord Ted
And if we can get Rupee to come I don't see how you can question the races G1 status. Look at the recent winners Ortensia x2 ( multiple G1 winner overseas), Takeover Target (say no more and 2nd horse Apache Cat) Buffering (multiple g1 winner beating another in MOC) and Barakey (beat Spirit of Boom who has won G1 races since). I could name 10 other group ones in Aus with worse stats than that.
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If Lankan Rupee declines I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a strong contingent of ES raiders here.
Not only are the $$ attractive, the race holds some prestige.
Cowardly????
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The world appreciated Black Caviar- why not you.?
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Northerly was a racehorse. She doesn't come within a hundred yards of him in my estimation. The only horse I would allow to run for my life. With one possible exception- Luckygray over a mile at Asoct :x
Are we talking about a racehorse or Goldilocks? Fair dinkum! =;
So she snubbed Perth, big deal. To run her on an Ascot Summer surface would have killed her.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just resent the fact that a horse lauded as the greatest of all time dodged challenges like carrying 61.5kg in the Newmarket that would have confirmed claims like that. I'm a purist, I guess. It's the same as the failed bid of triple crown aspirant California Chrome-the owners had a sook about how hard it was the win the three legs. It ain't meant to be easy!
i just ask this question....if YOU owned and or trained her...what would you have done?
can i have a guess...the same as her connections did.
end of story......
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I would have wanted to measure her against past greats. You do that by carrying weight-she should have run in that Newmarket with 61.5kg, you can hardly say she hated the Flemington straight. Gai would have run her. Pierro getting beat in the Doncaster does not diminish his achievements.
Oh and I would have run in the All Aged Stakes instead of sneaking off to Adelaide. When you are the best you shouldn't fear anyone. They should have all feared her-and some no doubt did.
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...and Australia is the best horse Aiden O'Brien has ever trained. Your point being?
No way in the world would I have Frankel rated above Tulloch. Then again who knows what that horse was racing on?
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Black Caviar to miss Winterbottom Stakes
07-11-2011
Adrian Dunn From: Herald Sun November 07, 2011 8:44am
TRAINER Peter Moody put the welfare of Black Caviar before an eighth Group 1 win as the curtain fell on the unbeaten mare's spring campaign.
Moody said if the November 19 Winterbottom Stakes had been run in Melbourne, and not Perth, there would have been a great chance Black Caviar would have started.
He said he did not want to risk aggravating the "little muscle tear" Black Caviar sustained in her back in winning Saturday's Patinack Farm Classic at Flemington.
While Moody said the injury was not too dramatic, it was enough to call off the trip to Perth.
Part-owner Neil Werrett said a veterinarian and chiropractor had looked over Black Caviar.
"Peter rang me at 6.30am (and) said, 'I'm recommending we should keep her home'," Werrett said.
"It was an easy decision ... well, actually, it was a hard decision because we were all mentally going to Perth and really looking forward to it."
Moody stressed Black Caviar was suffering from a "bit of wear and tear" after "feeling the run" on Saturday, her 16th successive win.
"After talking to the owners, we weighed up the pros and cons and we've decided she won't be going to Perth," Moody said.
"She knows she's had a run. She's a little jarry.
"She's just come to the end of it. It was a hot day, firm track and so we decided she can have a break."
Moody said jockey Luke Nolen flagged his concerns when the pair discussed the mare after her effortless seventh Group 1 win.
"Luke just said, 'It was great, but she wasn't at her top'," Moody said.
"I just think she pulled up feeling the ground a bit and that's not a criticism of the track. I don't want people hanging the track man."
Moody said the plane trip to Perth would have been Black Caviar's first flight, a precursor to next year when she is to travel to England for June's Royal Ascot meeting.
"I would have loved her to have that experience and it is also disappointing for the people of Perth," the trainer said.
Black Caviar's 2012 campaign is expected to kick off in the Australia Stakes at Moonee Valley on Friday, January 27.
Moody said he was keen to push Black Caviar beyond 1200m for the first time in the C.F. Orr Stakes and Futurity Stakes, both run over 1400m at Caulfield in February