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Darkhorse · March 2014

trojanhorse said:

Darkhorse said:
The first time our new member of the stupids panel has been put into the limelight to make a serious decision and he comes up with a serious blunder.
I would suggest that it was always going to be upheld , as it shows the new sheriff in town can make the same bad decisions that his predecessors have.

Who are you talking about....the Stewarts were the same as before times.

Not quite true Mr Horse
A new appointment was made to the stupids panel
We are only now seeing his name on the stupids report

carey · March 2014

Radman said:

Rodent said:
Holding dimwits to account isn't whining. It's calling a spade a spade.
Rationalisation is a fascinating human idiosyncrasy.

so is philosophising on a racing forum! :-SS

therealkramer · March 2014

Gilgamesh said:

p>I thought the interference had to look like it cost the horse the race. I also thought it was good race riding to keep your dangers pocketed?
That said I haven't seen any front on but if a horse is coming out and one coming in why does the one coming in have to stay out of the way?

There's a difference between Pike's shift outward shortly after turning and McGruddy changing his line as he shifted in. You can't hold a horse in a pocket by moving off your line-but you don't to yield either.

theketaminekid · March 2014

Mcgruddy definitely shifted in without sufficient clearance which cost amorino a bit of momentum enough to change the result, close call. Having your momentum taken away with 59kg is quite significant. However,it is one thing to acknowledge that the horse was interfered with which to my eye it is quite clear but there also must be enough reasoning to say it cost the horse the ground needed to make the difference. Line ball but ultimately in my opinion they would not have been deliberating on the decision had Mcgruddy not shifted, therefore in a line ball call I say Amorino under these circumstances every time as the bigger onus should be on the horse and rider not abiding by the rules of racing. I think objectively the stewards have made the right decision.

RIO · March 2014

theketaminekid said:
Mcgruddy definitely shifted in without sufficient clearance which cost amorino a bit of momentum enough to change the result, close call. Having your momentum taken away with 59kg is quite significant. However,it is one thing to acknowledge that the horse was interfered with which to my eye it is quite clear but there also must be enough reasoning to say it cost the horse the ground needed to make the difference. Line ball but ultimately in my opinion they would not have been deliberating on the decision had Mcgruddy not shifted, therefore in a line ball call I say Amorino under these circumstances every time as the bigger onus should be on the horse and rider not abiding by the rules of racing. I think objectively the stewards have made the right decision.

I agree....it looked that way in running and the head on only proved it. I though tit interfered with Amorino for about 2 strides, the Stipes said in announcing there decision that it was for 4 or 5 strides.. line ball call...McGruddy shifted in and made no attempt to keep his mount straight.

the margin and whether it was enough to stop it winning - all line ball. That one issue makes the difference

therealkramer · March 2014

RIO said:

theketaminekid said:
Mcgruddy definitely shifted in without sufficient clearance which cost amorino a bit of momentum enough to change the result, close call. Having your momentum taken away with 59kg is quite significant. However,it is one thing to acknowledge that the horse was interfered with which to my eye it is quite clear but there also must be enough reasoning to say it cost the horse the ground needed to make the difference. Line ball but ultimately in my opinion they would not have been deliberating on the decision had Mcgruddy not shifted, therefore in a line ball call I say Amorino under these circumstances every time as the bigger onus should be on the horse and rider not abiding by the rules of racing. I think objectively the stewards have made the right decision.

I agree....it looked that way in running and the head on only proved it. I though tit interfered with Amorino for about 2 strides, the Stipes said in announcing there decision that it was for 4 or 5 strides.. line ball call...McGruddy shifted in and made no attempt to keep his mount straight.

the margin and whether it was enough to stop it winning - all line ball. That one issue makes the difference

I agree it was a 50/50 call. I would have dismissed it personally but it's hardly in the grand final of worst protest decisions either. The Araldo-Sea Moon decision last spring in Melbourne was much worse.

DamienWyer · March 2014

What I don't like is the inconsistency. In the Perth Stakes, the leader crossed with 200M to go taking the running of at least one other horse and nothing was mentioned at all.

RIO · March 2014

no-one likes that Damo.... and to me it is still the hardest thing for jocks, trainers, owners and PUNTERS - the main group - to get their heads around. This one was so close cos Pike got out and around and had ground to make up for what was a slight bit of interference.. 50/50, so it appears they went with which rider was going straight at the time of interference and which one wasn't???

theketaminekid · March 2014

therealkramer said:

RIO said:

theketaminekid said:
Mcgruddy definitely shifted in without sufficient clearance which cost amorino a bit of momentum enough to change the result, close call. Having your momentum taken away with 59kg is quite significant. However,it is one thing to acknowledge that the horse was interfered with which to my eye it is quite clear but there also must be enough reasoning to say it cost the horse the ground needed to make the difference. Line ball but ultimately in my opinion they would not have been deliberating on the decision had Mcgruddy not shifted, therefore in a line ball call I say Amorino under these circumstances every time as the bigger onus should be on the horse and rider not abiding by the rules of racing. I think objectively the stewards have made the right decision.

I agree....it looked that way in running and the head on only proved it. I though tit interfered with Amorino for about 2 strides, the Stipes said in announcing there decision that it was for 4 or 5 strides.. line ball call...McGruddy shifted in and made no attempt to keep his mount straight.

the margin and whether it was enough to stop it winning - all line ball. That one issue makes the difference
I agree it was a 50/50 call. I would have dismissed it personally but it's hardly in the grand final of worst protest decisions either. The Araldo-Sea Moon decision last spring in Melbourne was much worse.

had a stack on sea moon that day a howler I thought as well.

PuntingTragic · March 2014

Worst decision since he's remarkable I e been on the losing end of both pricks that was a disgrace

therealkramer · March 2014

theketaminekid said:

therealkramer said:

RIO said:

theketaminekid said:
Mcgruddy definitely shifted in without sufficient clearance which cost amorino a bit of momentum enough to change the result, close call. Having your momentum taken away with 59kg is quite significant. However,it is one thing to acknowledge that the horse was interfered with which to my eye it is quite clear but there also must be enough reasoning to say it cost the horse the ground needed to make the difference. Line ball but ultimately in my opinion they would not have been deliberating on the decision had Mcgruddy not shifted, therefore in a line ball call I say Amorino under these circumstances every time as the bigger onus should be on the horse and rider not abiding by the rules of racing. I think objectively the stewards have made the right decision.

I agree....it looked that way in running and the head on only proved it. I though tit interfered with Amorino for about 2 strides, the Stipes said in announcing there decision that it was for 4 or 5 strides.. line ball call...McGruddy shifted in and made no attempt to keep his mount straight.

the margin and whether it was enough to stop it winning - all line ball. That one issue makes the difference
I agree it was a 50/50 call. I would have dismissed it personally but it's hardly in the grand final of worst protest decisions either. The Araldo-Sea Moon decision last spring in Melbourne was much worse.
had a stack on sea moon that day a howler I thought as well.

Betstar actually changed their policy on protest payouts after the Sea Moon bungle because of punters threatening to bet with their competitors.

Piston_Broke · March 2014

if you watch the view from behind you can see McGruddy doesn't buffer Pike, only a slight touch if any

RIO · March 2014

Piston_Broke said:
if you watch the view from behind you can see McGruddy doesn't buffer Pike, only a slight touch if any

seen it and agree

Piston_Broke · March 2014

Warnings, cautions an reprimands

. Jockey XXXXXXXX was reminded of her obligations to straighten her mounts more quickly when they commence to shift ground in similar circumstances in future.

. Apprentice XXXXXXX was cautioned and told that he is not permitted to place undue pressure on other runners to his inside when endeavouring to improve his position otherwise further action may be taken against him.

ApprenticeXXXXX was reprimanded and told to ensure that he returns

to scale at his correct weight otherwise further action may be taken against him.

an inquiry that McGruddy has to face, should be simple, get the transcript of the protest hearing and tear them to shreds on their evidence.

Race 7 also an inquiry, surely has to about the trouble Magical Mist got into on the point of the turn, Willie pushing up where he wasn't entitled to trying to get up inside Hell Cool 3 horses had to check, but no doubt general crowding will be to blame.

This is amazing just who writes the stripes report

BROCKY'S DEAL (Brad Parnham) – Raced keenly in the early stages. Bumped near the 100m

and steadied.

MAGICAL MIST (NZ) (William Pike) - Bumped near the 100m.

This all happened at the 295m not the 100m

Something more amazing

HEL COOL (Mitchell Pateman) – . Bumped near the 100m. (noooo at the top of the straight 295m) Blocked for clear running over the concluding stages. Are they serious, Hel Cool was inside Toned in front, how the hell was it blocked for clear running?

Legless · March 2014

Legless said:
pike got splattered then too

:-SS on the photo [-O< toppy

edit - ffaarrqqq

I was stunned too when I read the stipes report.

Haven't seen the replay but watching it live it was as obvious as a spare prick at a wedding

BobbyDavis · March 2014

Piston_Broke said:
Warnings, cautions an reprimands

. Jockey XXXXXXXX was reminded of her obligations to straighten her mounts more quickly when they commence to shift ground in similar circumstances in future.

. Apprentice XXXXXXX was cautioned and told that he is not permitted to place undue pressure on other runners to his inside when endeavouring to improve his position otherwise further action may be taken against him.
ApprenticeXXXXX was reprimanded and told to ensure that he returns
to scale at his correct weight otherwise further action may be taken against him.

an inquiry that McGruddy has to face, should be simple, get the transcript of the protest hearing and tear them to shreds on their evidence.

Race 7 also an inquiry, surely has to about the trouble Magical Mist got into on the point of the turn, Willie pushing up where he wasn't entitled to trying to get up inside Hell Cool 3 horses had to check, but no doubt general crowding will be to blame.

This is amazing just who writes the stripes report

BROCKY'S DEAL (Brad Parnham) – Raced keenly in the early stages. Bumped near the 100m
and steadied.
MAGICAL MIST (NZ) (William Pike) - Bumped near the 100m.

This all happened at the 295m not the 100m

Something more amazing
HEL COOL (Mitchell Pateman) – . Bumped near the 100m. (noooo at the top of the straight 295m) Blocked for clear running over the concluding stages. Are they serious, Hel Cool was inside Toned in front, how the hell was it blocked for clear running?

Totally agree with all this PB. Couldn't believe nothing was in the original report about pike in race 7. Imo he is riding with little regard for others at the moment. And who can blame him if he keeps getting away with it? seriously the stewards need to stamp this out. It would be stopped pretty swiftly elsewhere. The example from r7 Saturday could've easily resulted in carnage and it was purely due to pikes attitude.

Radman · March 2014

Legless said:

Legless said:
...... it was as obvious as a spare prick at a wedding

Did you just make that one up?

Legless · March 2014

Radman said:

Legless said:

Legless said:
...... it was as obvious as a spare prick at a wedding

Did you just make that one up?

2nd fave to
"Newspaper boys aren't necessarily made from newspaper" when some-ones asks - What do ya know?

thefalcon · March 2014

be interesting to send the tapes to stewards in melb. and sydney and ask their opinions.

won't happen but would be an interesting exercise.

throw in the hes remarkable/luckygray one as well....

therealkramer · March 2014

the falcon said:

throw in the hes remarkable/luckygray one as well....

%-(

Legless · March 2014

Legless said:

Radman said:

Legless said:

Legless said:
...... it was as obvious as a spare prick at a wedding

Did you just make that one up?
2nd fave to
"Newspaper boys aren't necessarily made from newspaper" when some-ones asks - What do ya know?

followed closely by -
"just goes to show you don't need a long neck to prove you are a GOOSE" :-\"

trojanhorse · March 2014

Darkhorse said:

trojanhorse said:

Darkhorse said:
The first time our new member of the stupids panel has been put into the limelight to make a serious decision and he comes up with a serious blunder.
I would suggest that it was always going to be upheld , as it shows the new sheriff in town can make the same bad decisions that his predecessors have.

Who are you talking about....the Stewarts were the same as before times.

.

Not quite true Mr Horse
A new appointment was made to the stupids panel
We are only now seeing his name on the stupids report

I am confused Darkhorse the names on report are same as before for two years ....only new name is cadet name who was not there 2 years back.

Darkhorse · March 2014

Here you are Trojan,

latest meeting and a random from a few months ago.

MEETING HELD AT ASCOT ON SATURDAY, 22 MARCH 2014

Meeting No: 183 Weather: Fine Track: Good (3)

Penetrometer: 6.3 Rail: Out 9 Metres

Stewards: B.W. Lewis, H. Taylor (4), P.B. Criddle (6), D.J. Mead (HO),

Cadet A.A. Brown (FL), T. Rendell (Form/Betting Analysis), G. Croll (BR)

MEETING HELD AT ASCOT ON SATURDAY, 8 FEBRUARY 2014

Meeting No: 152 Weather: Fine Track: Good (3)

Penetrometer: 6.4 Rail: Inside Position

Stewards: B.W. Lewis, P.B. Criddle, C.D. Brown (HO), M.L. Vickers (6),

Cadet A.A. Brown (

trojanhorse · March 2014

Darkhorse said:
The first time our new member of the stupids panel has been put into the limelight to make a serious decision and he comes up with a serious blunder.
I would suggest that it was always going to be upheld , as it shows the new sheriff in town can make the same bad decisions that his predecessors have.

You are saying new member and new sheriff to town but at the same meet last year on 27 march 2013 ......H Taylor was on list of officials at the meet. I think it is you who is not understanding.

thefalcon · March 2014

mr. taylor was lauded as the messiah of the panel....a job not the messiah himself could do.

Piston_Broke · March 2014

lots of inclusions in this report.

General - An inquiry into an incident shortly after straightening involving HEL COOL (Mitchell

Pateman), MASTER ROBSON (Campbell McCallum), SUCCESS STORY ( Glenn Smith),

BROCKY’S DEAL (Brad Parnham) and MAGICAL MIST (William Pike) was opened and adjourned

until one hour prior to Race 1 at Ascot Racecourse on Saturday, 29 March 2014.

Piston_Broke · March 2014

Ascot Saturday, 22 March 2014 – Race 7. Westspeed Stayers’ Bonus Handicap (2200m)

On Saturday, 29 March 2014 the adjourned inquiry into an incident shortly after straightening in

the above race was finalised with evidence being taken from Apprentice Mitchell Pateman (HEL

COOL), Jockey C. McCallum (MASTER ROBSON), Jockey G. Smith (SUCCESS STORY), Jockey

B. Parnham (BROCKYS DEAL) via recording as currently overseas and Jockey J. Whiting

(REPRISAL). The Inquiry was subsequently adjourned when Jockey W. Pike requested to

question Jockey B. Parnham in person in relation to his racing position prior to and at the time

of the incident. As Jockey Brad Parnham is currently overseas, Jockey Pike’s request was

granted and the matter will continue on Tuesday, 1 April 2014 at 3pm in the Stewards Room at

Ascot Racecourse.

Piston_Broke · March 2014

****, unbelievable Shooter got suspended for not causing interference

LATE REPORTS

Ascot Saturday, 22 March 2014 – Race 5. Grandstand Cup (1500m)

On Saturday, 29 March 2014 Stewards concluded the adjourned inquiry following Jockey S.

McGruddy being charged with careless riding in the above race. Further evidence was taken

from Jockey McGruddy and he was subsequently found guilty to a charge of careless riding

under ARR.137(a) for allowing MR UTOPIA to shift inwards when insufficiently clear of AMORINO

(W. Pike) and was subsequently suspended from riding in races for a period of 12 days to

commence from midnight 30 March 2014 and to expire at midnight 11 April 2014.

At a further inquiry Jockey S. McGruddy pleaded guilty to a charge of improper behaviour under

ARR.175(j) during a formal Stewards Inquiry in relation to an incident in the above race which

resulted in the Inquiry having to be adjourned. Jockey S. McGruddy was fined the sum of $1,500

of which the amount of $750 was suspended for a period of 12 months under ARR.196(4).

Piston_Broke · March 2014

nothing saying the inside horse moved out, what are they watching when they watch these races?

So if McGruddy gets 12 days for causing a horse to steady what will Willie get on Magical Mist, on comparison he has to get double 24 days?

Piston_Broke · March 2014

what a joke,

BROCKY'S DEAL (Brad Parnham) – Raced keenly in the early stages. Bumped near the 100m

and steadied.

MAGICAL MIST (NZ) (William Pike) - Bumped near the 100m.

This all happened at the 295m not the 100m

Something more amazing

HEL COOL (Mitchell Pateman) – . Bumped near the 100m. (noooo at the top of the straight 295m) Blocked for clear running over the concluding stages. Are they serious, Hel Cool was inside Toned in front, how the hell was it blocked for clear running?

This has all been deleted and changed,

new report

MASTER ROBSON (Campbell Mc Callum) – Held up on straightening and shortly after was

carried inwards when crowded, having to be steadied.

BROCKY'S DEAL (Brad Parnham) – Raced keenly in the early stages. Restrained from heels

shortly after straightening. Trainer Mr L Smith advised that the gelding returned with a laceration

to the near hock and off hind fetlock and has since received treatment for these injuries.

MAGICAL MIST (NZ) (William Pike) - Bumped on straightening.

General - An inquiry into an incident shortly after straightening involving HEL COOL (Mitchell

Pateman), MASTER ROBSON (Campbell McCallum), SUCCESS STORY ( Glenn Smith),

BROCKY’S DEAL (Brad Parnham) and MAGICAL MIST (William Pike) was opened and adjourned

until one hour prior to Race 1 at Ascot Racecourse on Saturday, 29 March 2014.

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