Perth Cup Day 1st Jan

LuckyLongshots · January 2013

LOPOV (NZ) (Lucas Camilleri) – When questioned regarding his riding from the 900m in which he
allowed his mount to stride forward to race on equal terms with the leader which had already
established a considerable margin on the field through the middle stages, rider advised that he was
instructed to improve into the race from the 800m and that the gelding is best suited when allowed to
stride freely. He further advised that he had been able to achieve this with little effort as the gelding
was racing strongly at this point of the race. Rider agreed with the Stewards opinion that he had erred
in his tactics given that the leader and his mount had already established a considerable margin on the
remainder of the field it would have been more prudent to delay improving into the race until several
hundred metres later

General: Stewards inquired into the reason for MOONLIGHT BAY (J. Whiting) being restrained near
the 225m. It was established that TALENT SHOW (J. Noske) when taken outwards to improve its
position was insufficiently clear causing this incident. Jockey J. Noske (TALENT SHOW) pleaded
guilty to a charge of careless riding under ARR.137(a) for causing the above incident and was
subsequently suspended from riding in races for a period of 18 days to commence from midnight 6
January 2013 and to expire at midnight 24 January 2013.

Desperado · January 2013

He further advised that he had been able to achieve this with little effort as the gelding
was racing strongly at this point of the race. Rider agreed with the Stewards opinion that he had erred
in his tactics given that the leader and his mount had already established a considerable margin on the
remainder of the field it would have been more prudent to delay improving into the race until several
hundred metres later

IS THAT IT. Is that is all that the Stewards are going to do about that perthetic performance today in our premier race. II can't find the right words.

MissH · January 2013

Why didn't the stewards charge him with incompetent riding? Back to maidens at Swan Hill......

Devilwearsprada · January 2013

anyone know what " R&D apply " means ?? i won on excelorada today and TAB only paid out half the amount owed ? i cant be ********ringing them as i cant even remember my 4 digit password etc.

pluger · January 2013

R&D=refunds and deductions
late scratching of texan was 39c in the $1 from memory

MissH · January 2013

Not really sure - revised dividend ? after Texan scratching. If you call them they only need your address and mobile number if you cant remember your password.

Aussiereds72 · January 2013

got the first 3 tri payed well back the winner was only beaten 3l by mr moet lst start got to love the odds winner winner chicken dinner :))

squid69 · January 2013

LuckyLongshots said:

squid69 said:
I would suggest some posters on here have a good long read of the stewards report (or have someone read it to you).
Sorry squid, but I see nothing to explain the death - lot of questions to be asked. And only a full autopsy will give answers.

I will leave it at that....

Could be purely bad luck.......

This is the only stewards report that was interesting in hindsight
"Stewards granted permission for Jockey J. Noske to ride TALENT SHOW at 54.0kg being 1.0kg over
the allotted weight."

LL, wasn't having a go about Texan at all. More the apparant (to me anyway)posters talking through their kicks. I agree there were some "interesting" tactics today, but a read of the stewards reports shows that these were questioned in most cases. Maybe Carey is right, what they didn't ask is more of the point, but there were questions asked and explanations provided. I did note couple of notable physical issues with favored horses (not including the ill fated Texan).

Anyway, maybe I am simply getting sick of some of the crap that is being posted, I've been crook with a prick of a virus since New Years Eve, and the Panadeine Forte may have been wearing off ~X(

thefalcon · January 2013

i could be wrong, but i don't think lopov led in the kal cup...

LuckyLongshots · January 2013

Yes squid, some people on this forum have ill-towards agendas, others would just like better explanations of some incidents that require better explanation.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · January 2013

Thanks Banjo and BABIECA NOIRE. Saved my butt. Over the odds as was the cup winner.

dungy · January 2013

Aussiereds72 said:
got the first 3 tri payed well back the winner was only beaten 3l by mr moet lst start got to love the odds winner winner chicken dinner :))

But your boy Paddy didnt ride it i you sure ??? :)
Another quiet day for Carbery again yesterday i bet he cant wait for his suspension to end as Pike and Harvey are keeping the seat warm well for the stable

TheDiva · January 2013

Devilwearsprada said:
anyone know what " R&D apply " means ?? i won on excelorada today and TAB only paid out half the amount owed ? i cant be ********ringing them as i cant even remember my 4 digit password etc.

when there is a late scratching, there are "refunds and deductions" that apply.
as the $2.80 favourite did not take part in the race, obviously, there will be a deduction as the chance of your runner now winning have increased and all those who backed Texan get their stake refunded.

Not sure how many times we had to explain this on course today, but I guess you can expect that from once a year punters.

raconteur · January 2013

Can't believe that PR runs the promoted fastest trace in WA - the Summer Scorcher over 1000m - great concept - good race -

and no 600m sectionals ! - the potential to set a State record is probably in this race, more so than any other (albeit the style of track preparation nowadays, suggests that 1000m records are a thing of the past.) - I know things go wrong on racedays but surely on a big day that amounts to toilet ques, power outage , tote overload - not a simplistic static beam 480m from the finish.

I was just thinking of Carey's data of sectional times and how this would leave a void esp. at the upper end.

LuckyLongshots · January 2013

Only one issue yesterday that I encountered was the lack of taxis at the Garratt Road end of the track - why Perth Racing continue to not use the pickup area near the Leger Gate as a taxi rank is completely insane.

Instead your patrons, most who are intoxicated end up having to cross Garrattt Road and try and flag down a taxi - safety should be paramount, and having a taxi rank at both ends of the track would be pretty smart.

TheFunkster · January 2013

Devilwearsprada said:
anyone know what " R&D apply " means ?? i won on excelorada today and TAB only paid out half the amount owed ? i cant be ********ringing them as i cant even remember my 4 digit password etc.

Refunds & Deductions due to Texan's late scratching. On course announcement was 39c in the dollar deduction on win divy & 37c on place

Import · January 2013

The Durrant stable have had a bad run lately. Wasn't long ago that they also lost Just Wicked, another very promising galloper.

Rogue_Green · January 2013

Import said:
The Durrant stable have had a bad run lately. Wasn't long ago that they also lost Just Wicked, another very promising galloper.

ha ha love this comment. Bad run, yeah thats what they call it.

On other matters, anyone think the ride on Cantonese was a little too much? They said before the race he could take a site, yeah. That didnt happen. Surely Cassidy would have known that its pretty rare that a leader wins this race! Only way to win it would have been to slow them right down, then kick off the short straight. Either he was over rated as a horse or our stayers are under rated, im thinking the first.

TheDiva · January 2013

I dont think cantonese was over rated, but he was up against it from the start.
Long campaign, late travel plans, a number of days of 40 degrees when he arrived wouldnt have helped, then add that ride to the mix. Im sure he and Mr Moet were by far the best stayers in the race.

TheDiva · January 2013

dungy · January 2013

Look at were Mr Moet was sitting in all honesty that was a dog of a ride by Staeky no cover working hard with the big weight massive effort by the horse just hope it doesnt flatten him

TomSmarts · January 2013

The Club must have be very disappointed with the crowd.
Serves them right - $35 to get in and getting ripped off bigtime with the crazy prices on food and drink.
I think it's all down hill for them now if they don't wake up and pull their fingers out.
Different world today - trying to attract the wrong people to the track stuffed up NYE at Glou/Park...which use to be very enjoyable to the real racegoer.
I use to go to the track every week, never missed a Perth Cup Carnival no matter where I was living in Australia - but they lost me years ago when they stuffed up what use to be a great Carnival.

LuckyLongshots · January 2013

Anyone got an official figure of the crowd? At $35 per head, they didn't need as many through the gate - and in turn it was pretty easy to get to the bar and bookies and tote etc. The crowd seemed pretty reasonable to me, but I'd be surprised if was much over 15k

Just watched the replay for the first time, Lopov could have won that race, if he hadn't of gone stupid and just sat 2-3L off the tearaway leader.

Think Pop Culture was a superb run, had to bring the field up to the leaders at the 600m and still fought on very well to the finish.

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BE SO RYSKI (S. O’Donnell) – Held tight in the early stages. When questioned regarding the unplaced
performance, rider advised that the mare was obliged to race wide through the early and middle stages
and as a result got further back in the field than anticipated to obtain cover. He further advised that
when the pace quickened from the 600m the mare was under pressure however made good ground in
the straight. Due to the disappointing performance, a post race veterinary examination revealed the
mare to be slightly lame in the off fore and would not start in a race for a period of at least one month.

All riders engaged at this meeting underwent breathalyser testing with no anomalies detected.

RIO · January 2013

I didn't go cos as a member I knew there would be nowhere to sit in air-conditioning...Getting old... but I can’t find a report anywhere that states how many were at the track?? if it was under 15,000 then you'd think that the powers to be have got it wrong for the past few large racing days, where they need to attract significantly larger than that crowds...And if it did reach 15,000, but not until about race 5 or 6 like it did on Super Saturday, then after the past 18 months I think PR has to go back to the drawing board with their race day strategy and try again..IMO

I heard a comment on Racing Radio this morning from a listener that said.."whilst we have two companies running the one program we will never get it right"...and in my opinion that statement is very true...One is a government body - so waste is accepted across all areas of operation. And the other is a not for profit club - that in the past has scorned and ridiculed anyone that dare try to hold them accountable for their actions...not a good recipe for success..

LuckyLongshots · January 2013

I got there before Race 6. Concert was a success. (Members area was easy to move around in RIO)

Crowd was in good spirits, weather was good (made for a nice change)

The taxi thing I bought up earlier is a massive concern though, why push all of the patrons to the Mathieson Road end of the track, when the concert stage is at the Leger Gate end - duh!

TomSmarts · January 2013

RIO said:
I didn't go cos as a member I knew there would be nowhere to sit in air-conditioning...Getting old... but I can’t find a report anywhere that states how many were at the track??

No...the Club wouldn't want it to be reported

:-$

TomSmarts · January 2013

LuckyLongshots said:
I got there before Race 6. Concert was a success. (Members area was easy to move around in RIO)

Crowd was in good spirits, weather was good (made for a nice change)

The taxi thing I bought up earlier is a massive concern though, why push all of the patrons to the Mathieson Road end of the track, when the concert stage is at the Leger Gate end - duh!

They should put the concert stage way over the back of the track - preferably in the river.

RIO · January 2013

LuckyLongshots said:
I got there before Race 6. Concert was a success. (Members area was easy to move around in RIO)

Crowd was in good spirits, weather was good (made for a nice change)

The taxi thing I bought up earlier is a massive concern though, why push all of the patrons to the Mathieson Road end of the track, when the concert stage is at the Leger Gate end - duh!

Sounds very similar to Super Saturday LLS.. People arriving late and then only a bit of pressure put on the facilities for the big race and up to the concert..I actually like the bands they have had recently..A lot more appropriate. But if they are going to cater for 30 - 45 yr olds, then they also need to do the same around the racing...Free Wi-Fi..easy access to the net..banks of terminals for betting..that age group do their thing different to some of us that are just clinging to the edge of that age or well past it..

The taxi rank is a no brainer..they block Grandstand road off, so put the rank on the road heading towards Gt Eastern Hway and the flow rate would be so much better on Super Saturday and Cup day..

The crowd were happy on Super Saturday too..am sure it is cos those that have been there all day haven't got frustrated with packed bars..due to the majority of the crowd getting in late...I dont think that would be good for club revenue though??

Glad it all ran smoothly..i think the $35 is a fair price to pay for 5 - 7 hours of entertainment. Cheaper than an AFL game and twice as long..the food and Drink prices need to be trimmed a bit though...And dont start on the quality of food, or Falcon will attack us all!!! haha

tolleshunt · January 2013

an old chestnut but the main reason i remember for putting our cup back to 2400 instead of 3200m was the lack of attracting eastern states runners, well thats working well , 1 runner and certainly not a group horse from there and a 50 year old jockey who lately has chopped up more things then Rod Stewart, Is there any chance powers to be can admit they f%$#@d up and put our Perth Cup back to 3200 - it was different and thats why it was good and the people came...

squirt · January 2013

I agree tolleshunt, back to 3200,

G'day Punter!

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