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Railways Stakes 2012

West Australian Racing

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  • Rogue_GreenRogue_Green    294 posts
    Many doubters before the race about Luckygray. I think its fair to say he won alot of respect yesterday coming second. Lumping 58kg and last before the corner. As i said before the race, he ran the fastest last 600m even with the 58kg.
    Lets hope he heads back to Melb next year and proves his worth.

    Good ride by Staeck which won on the day, thats what racings about. Looks like Chester Rd for the Perth cup now that the weight will count Mr Moet out.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Yep, second two years in a row is a really good outcome...nearly identical runs with the exact same result..mmmm
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  • Rogue_GreenRogue_Green    294 posts
    RIO said:

    Yep, second two years in a row is a really good outcome...nearly identical runs with the exact same result..mmmm

    How is it the exact same result? He won the first on protest, totally different winning one on protest and losing one because of a poorish ride and weight.
    So you think Luckygray is still second rate? or built up more than he should be?

    If so, what did you take away from the race? Fat Al is over rated, Playing god is consistent but one paced, Rosie showed lots of guts considering, or the winner had a perfect ride and freshness to win....Anything else??
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    Rogue_Green said:

    Many doubters before the race about Luckygray. I think its fair to say he won alot of respect yesterday coming second. Lumping 58kg and last before the corner. As i said before the race, he ran the fastest last 600m even with the 58kg.
    Lets hope he heads back to Melb next year and proves his worth.

    Good ride by Staeck which won on the day, thats what racings about. Looks like Chester Rd for the Perth cup now that the weight will count Mr Moet out.

    on it's run yesterday I'd be laying Chester Rd in the Cup

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,452 posts
    BrisburghPhil said:

    SLIPPERGOLDEN said:

    Hey Phil when does your book go to press?

    Noted. It is too long!
    My comment wasn't meant to be a negative Phil.. just picking up on the observation.you appear to enjoy writing. You obviously put a fair amount of time and effort into that contribution so cheers for that.

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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    edited November 2012
    Rogue_Green said:

    Many doubters before the race about Luckygray. I think its fair to say he won alot of respect yesterday coming second. Lumping 58kg and last before the corner. As i said before the race, he ran the fastest last 600m even with the 58kg.
    Lets hope he heads back to Melb next year and proves his worth.

    Good ride by Staeck which won on the day, thats what racings about. Looks like Chester Rd for the Perth cup now that the weight will count Mr Moet out.

    Doncaster for Luckygray I reckon. Would give him enough time in the spelling paddock before the spring, instead of running in Perth in the winter. Randwick suits horses with his racing pattern-can be held up until topping the rise then WHOOOOOSH!!! ^:)^
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  • scenic11scenic11    236 posts
    Isn't the Doncaster in the Autumn?
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,488 posts
    or is that the epsom?
    both great randwick miles...
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    scenic11 said:

    Isn't the Doncaster in the Autumn?

    Yep. Depending on weight I think it's worth a shot.Yesterday's effort puts him in the fiinish of the Emirates imo-if you consider the runs of Fat Al, Yosei& Wall Street.

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  • ICEICE    683 posts
    RIO said:

    Yep, second two years in a row is a really good outcome...nearly identical runs with the exact same result..mmmm

    NFI
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    edited November 2012
    If Gino & the owners do decide to come to Sydney the path to the Doncaster could look like this:

    23/3 Rosehill Canterbury Stakes(1300m) Group 2 WFA
    6/4 Rosehill Ryder Stakes(1500m) Group 1 WFA
    20/4 Randwick Doncaster Mile(1600m) Group1 Hcp

    Or an alternative programme could include:

    13/4 Randwick T.J.Stakes(1200m) Group 1 WFA
    27/4Randwick All Aged Stakes(1400m) Group 1 WFA
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,488 posts
    watch it rac...diva best delete that post....
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,988 posts
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    raconteur said:

    ROGUE_GREEN - "Good ride by Staeck which won on the day,"

    does that take into consideration his illegal spurs ! MR MOET certainly raced like a horse that had been sharpened for the job - not like a stayer first up.

    i had him an $8 chance from memory.
    my 2nd or 3rd pick.
    interested in your 'illegal spurs' comment though.

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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited November 2012
    you can watch races all day in WA, you will see many jocks turn their toes out and kick with their heels, it certainly does not look good, and think it should be outlawed, they certainly are not allowed to punch or use the end of their whip to hit a horse in the neck, same effect with the feet which is allowed,
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  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    Carey you must have a freaky ratings system last campaign first up beat Honest Lies and Carlton Street then second up over the mile ran 4th to Come Party,King Point and Star Buck good Albany form. Many miles from winning a Railway did win the Strickland stakes against handy horses before spell but 3rd pick?
    Are spurs legal ? and which jockeys are using them over here I know they use them in Sydney this information should be very available to punters.
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    they are legal everywhere in Aust
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  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    Which jockeys in Perth wear them?
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  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    Piston_Broke said:

    they certainly are not allowed to punch or use the end of their whip to hit a horse in the neck

    last race on saturday, 29 sept, what was knuckey doing on big attitude around the home turn....not a mention in the stewards report..

    http://www.perthracing.com.au/results.aspx?ContentID=32715
    (for those of you with pr.com)
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,488 posts
    have a look at damiens pics, one jock is wearing them.
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    in WA you have to have a ball on the end, whereas in the E/S they can be pointed
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    goose said:

    Carey you must have a freaky ratings system last campaign first up beat Honest Lies and Carlton Street then second up over the mile ran 4th to Come Party,King Point and Star Buck good Albany form. Many miles from winning a Railway did win the Strickland stakes against handy horses before spell but 3rd pick?
    Are spurs legal ? and which jockeys are using them over here I know they use them in Sydney this information should be very available to punters.

    it's actually quite useless at the moment as i don't do any work, but yesterday it was not bad for a change.
    had chester whatever it's name is at about 3 or 4 dollars too.
    one thing you learn with experience, handicapping horses is not half as important as handicapping trainers and riders is.
    horses always have humans pulling the strings..........or loosening them

    swooper or rio could vouch for them being pre-race rather than afterwards

    1 COLOUR CORRECT 0.037205355 26.87785105
    2 LOPOV 0.051496183 19.41891483
    3 SHAMARDASHING 0.074381635 13.44417873
    4 DREAMAWAY 0.09040292 11.06158962
    5 KERRIFIC 0.253734914 3.941121011
    6 CHESTER ROAD 0.252947532 3.953389033
    7 ELLIOTTO 0.004279126 233.6925943
    8 OUR OL' FELLA 0.103155054 9.694144535
    9 DEMPSEY 0.036018089 27.76382691
    10 MCSCAR 0.096379191 10.37568369


    1 LUCKYGRAY 0.318693528 3.137810814
    2 FAT AL 0.045779735 21.84372607
    3 PLAYING GOD 0.011751174 85.09788268
    4 WALL STREET 0.050777252 19.69385806
    5 YOSEI 0.025141714 39.77453511
    6 WESTRIVER KEVYDONN 0.023367647 42.79421026
    7 LORDS RANSOM 0.005111705 195.6294275
    8 BATTLE EMBLEM 0.006185842 161.6594924
    9 GOD HAS SPOKEN 0.016105984 62.08872296
    10 KING SAUL 0.030931018 32.330006
    11 MASCHINO 0.091366804 10.94489413
    12 MR MOET 0.125371994 7.976263001
    13 NIBLICK 0.022470866 44.5020679
    14 RANGER 0.113907696 8.77903805
    15 ROSIE ROCKET 0.091688226 10.90652579
    16 ZESTER 0.021348813 46.84101238


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  • britbratbritbrat    90 posts
    Can someone call it the way it is.One of the best training/riding performances in the race in all years.WTF has the Spurs got to do with it.If l/gray or Rosie got the same run they woulda finished 1-2 but they didnt.if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.A great performance whichever way it's read.And PB Boss shoulda gone forward to try and get in but he didn't and Donga shoulda waited and come up the middle but he didn't.History coulda been made but it wasn't.Blame this,blame that, it doesn't detract from the fact.
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited November 2012
    Boss tried to go fwd
    Britbat, I agree the winner deserved to win and was going to win from the 500,it was jog trotting. A great training effort
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts

    are you boss's wa agent pb?
    you appear to be in :x with him. =))
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  • TheodorTheodor    199 posts
    Well said Britbat. Can't we just acknowledge top performances without launching into conspiracy theories and slamming jockeys??

    The Railway Stakes meeting was outstanding. Good racing, good crowd and well behaved. Lots of positive feeling, enjoyed by many. Just needed Bippo to get up and it would have been best ever
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    the 2 different types
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited November 2012
    I dont kow why Britbat singled me out I never potted Lucky G or Rosies or G Boss

    makes me wonder if he even watched he race by saying Boss should have gone fwd
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    edited November 2012
    RIO said:

    Yep, second two years in a row is a really good outcome...nearly identical runs with the exact same result..mmmm

    The ironic thing is that if they didn't award LG that joke protest then he would have carried at least 2kgs less on Sat which probably would have been enough to win. So either way he would still have 1 win and 1 second...
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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    I agree Theo, gee some of these blokes must troll through everything in WA racing looking for negatives.
    Great training performance by AD, terrific ride by DS, yet some peanut comes on with the illegal spurs accusation.
    Jealousy springs to mind.
    Oh btw the RWWA ads on tv are great hey ?
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