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How long for Ollie

West Australian Racing
Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
edited November 2012 West Australian Racing
My tip is he will get disqualified for 8 months, fair sentence
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  • VoodooVoodoo    1,371 posts
    Think your being kind pb........2 years then cut to 12 or 18 months if he appeals....has to be an example set.

    cheers
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Piston_Broke said:

    My tip is he will get disqualified for 8 months, fair sentence

    What a wanky Ascot matey statement ??
    Why should he get it any shorter than Shinn or Robyl got because he is your mate PB ??? what a crock
    give him 12 months like the other shonkers
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  • FoolsGoldFoolsGold    148 posts
    PB knows that the hearing has already occurred and the penalty handed down. 8 months.
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  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    So he wont even miss a spring carnival faarrk what is going on over there? should have been 12 months as Dungy said same as Shinn and Robyl.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Fools Gold said:

    PB knows that the hearing has already occurred and the penalty handed down. 8 months.

    PB = Terry Bailey

    :))

    he aint that good
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    pb knows the ins and outs of a ducks arse....
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    the falcon said:

    pb knows the ins and outs of a ducks arse....

    You ask him he will tell ya Falc its all trash talk around the streets of ascot
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  • MeatheadMeathead    130 posts
    12 months imprisonment
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  • wedgewedge    269 posts
    i heard he was given a hundred demons and scab duty for a month
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  • wedgewedge    269 posts
    hate to put a glass half empty synical approach to this but in your opinion, would you consider this to be a once off offence for oliver? like he has never ever had another bet in a horse that is in the same race that e rides in? and that they will not uncover any other betting offences with the records they have?
    do you think ollie struggled to sleep knowing that he has broken the rules of racing?... just the once....
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  • scenic11scenic11    236 posts
    It makes me sick to read all the gushing and praise heaped on Oliver.
    Won't surprise me if there are more bets uncovered.
    From what I hear it is not a one off bet.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    well said, wedge. there is NO way he would have a one off 10k bet. fact!
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  • ShergarShergar    43 posts
    Good to know that Tall Poppy Syndrome is alive & well in Perth!!!

    From today's headlines Australian racing has got bigger problems than a few jockeys having a bet. Shit they've done it for decades anyway.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    decades, shergar? try ever since we started betting on horse races. personally, i can't see anything wrong with jocks having a bet.
    i may be wrong, but aren't reinsmen allowed to bet?
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  • wedgewedge    269 posts
    shergar, the problems are multifactoral.

    there is not one isolated problem.

    unfortunately, its not tall poppy syndrome. more specifically, how can this be tall poppy syndrome in PERTH ALONE?!!

    are you suggesting this because oliver originates from perth? or because this forum is perth based? im not sure i'm with you?

    shergar, can you please tell me what is a bigger problem in racing than a jockey betting on a rival horse AND COLLECTING?

    i love this game as much as any reader on this forum. i share the same admiration for the jock in question. but how much do these guys have to earn before they leave it alone!

    owners and punters and breeders need some confidence. or as much as they can get...

    this is just the tip of the iceberg pal

    dont hear much crying from other jocks and industry participants about d nikolic getting bent over the stewards table and copping a free service to not a single doubt?... given the evidence.... :-O

    jockeys association up in arms about his treatment? shergar, do you agree with nikolics penalty and is it a case of tall poppy syndrome in his circumstance?
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  • rickrick    487 posts
    well its not like he needs the money my sources tell me hes worth about 10 mill
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  • scenic11scenic11    236 posts
    Pharque me, next thing his "supporters" will be starting up a collection to pay his legal fees.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    how long??? when you consider that a trainer got caught in WA doping a horse to the eye balls for the third time and got 2 years i'd suggest a fair penalty for a first time conviction is about 3 months. He didn't damage or endanger the life of a horse, he didn't bet on a 50/1 shot, he had a bet on the race favourite and collected.

    Before you all go off.....like i usually do!!!...i know he has broken the rules and for that he needs to pay a penalty. But compared to how we tolerate repetitive trainers that endanger the horses lives, as well as getting horses that aren't favourites to win..i personally don't see why it would go past a year....

    Both scenarios are wrong, but for a first time conviction i feel that a person needs to be given a chance to redeem themselves. Damian Oliver out of racing wont be good for the sport..Damien Oliver with a changed attitude and supporting the sport going forward would be a great asset.

    oh and i am aware that a few of you said that if he did it once he has done it heaps of times...well the same applies to all those who break the rulers..no-one seriously is suggesting that Mark Reed has only ever doped 3 horses are they??? we only penalise people for the ones they get caught with. What we need to do is make sure that future penalties - after the first conviction - are incredibly severe, to discourage the activity. Something that i feel this industry in Australia still doesn't do.

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  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    Rio
    If you want to compare penalties from different states the best comparison to Ollie's alleged offence is surely the cases of Robl and Shinn who got 12 to 15 months.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Tony, if they were for first offenses of this nature - having a bet on a horse in a race they were riding - then it sounds like a precedence has been set. An with the current focus on the industry you'd suggest that is the starting point.

    I'm unaware of the details of those two situations(or have forgotten!?!?!), but am all for uniformity around the country. I'd hope that in this situation the stewards seek to match or even be harsher than those suspensions, and then make it very clear that if it is done again there wont be a suspension.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    He will get 12 months thats a moral
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,485 posts
    did PB tell you, mate? :))
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Will get life
    (Will retire)
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  • scenic11scenic11    236 posts
    The reporting on the Oliver case has polarised people. Is it really a conspiracy?

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4323242.html
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited November 2012
    Did not Shinn and Robl lie when 1st confronted about thebeting.

    Dungy 8 months is very strong mail

    Personally I would give him a slap on the wrist and and ask to be his commission agent in future
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horseracing/jockey-oliver-to-be-charged-report-20121113-298xt.html
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Piston_Broke said:

    Did not Shinn and Robl lie when 1st confronted about thebeting.

    Dungy 8 months is very strong mail

    Personally I would give him a slap on the wrist and and ask to be his commission agent in future

    Bugger me after reading the article on Shinn he was a dead set MUG punter was running in and out of Tabs all over Sydney ,Dogs,Trotts and horses the Punt got him big time spent over 1m in 2 years punting
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Shinn and Robl situation appears similar to Ollies, but there was a lot of evidence that it had been going on for a very long time...that may be the difference, that reduces Ollies suspension.

    After reading up on the two i doubt that Ollie would go for longer...unless more comes out than what we aren't aware of.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,987 posts
    http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horseracing/jockey-damien-oliver-charged-over-illegal-bet-20121113-298xt.html
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  • scenic11scenic11    236 posts
    It says he has made "admissions", so does that mean he has pleaded guilty?
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