Facts on TurnoverHarness & Greyhounds

JayJay

The defenders of the realm keep throwing up all their facts, figures and myths about turnover on Harness, selectively quoting what they want to support their case that GP is the El Dorado of Harness Turnover and that the product is spot on and the track doesn't need changing  and we don't need stands and the handicapping system is a winner and so on. 

Now it is only TABtouch numbers and everyone knows the corporates rule the roost but the correlation would be very similar and this definitely doesn't fit their narrative.

Today's NZ Cup from Addington....a Standing Start on a big track, I wouldn't imagine the time slot to be ideal, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I don't know but here are the numbers:

Win 263k

Place 194k

Quinella 135k

Trifecta 280k

1st 4 200k

Total $1.07 million.

By comparison, the WA Cup from February (Wildwest) held in conjunction with Chinese New Year, Fireworks etc totalled 154k with a 50k boost from a carryover.....Win 33k, place 15.3k, Quinella 3.3k, Trifecta 25.8k and carryover boosted 1st four 76.2k.

WA Derby Last Friday Night:

Win 16.7k

Place $5.9k

Quinella 2.75k

Trifecta 12.6k

!st 4 (boosted by a carryover) 74.7k (normally about the same as the trifecta pool)

Total $112k (around 60k minus the carryover boost)

Yesterday, a level 8/9 race at Pinjarra (Race 7 Prince Of Pleasure) held over $50k.

Furthermore, Sky, in another great show of "support" for harness, did no post race stuff from Addington but switched straight to a dog race holding about 10k from Murray Bridge.

Markovina

They are fantastic numbers - and if you look at all the races they are all fantastic - like 50k in the win pool etc 

And it must be basically all NZ money - because the Cup had 135k in the quinella pool - but the exacta only held 2.6k - that says to me that NZ dont have an exacta type bet 

Correct if im wrong - but in NZ - the Trots are King Pin - and the gallops are a pathetic irrelevant sick 2nd - and thats how it should be in every country by the way 

JayJay

I have been to NZ Cup days at Addington but a long time ago.....the crowds were huge and manic in their enthusiasm, certainly in those days bigger than the gallops, a public holiday and all that but not sure how the comparison is these days. At the time, Lord Module, Delightful Lady, Locarno etc  were all household names but it was the same in Australia. The standing of the sport has plummeted since then.

Win pools at Bendigo last Friday Night were bigger than Gloucester Park....11 races each, total of $121.6k at Bendigo v $113.9k at GP, place pools comparable at $54.8k v $54.7k.

Rocket_Reign

But in the same breath you want to ignore the dismal turnover at the outer country tracks and pretend there’s no problem, can’t have your cake and eat it too

JayJay

Clueless rationalisation/centralisation policies are proven winners all over the world.........if your aim is to completely destroy an industry. A two track model close to home should satisfy most.

AbbysAce

Who places a win or place bet on the tote? The little ol lady who has $1 each way. 

I would say a large percentage of punters who bet a decent amount bet fixed.

So until the TAb disclose the fixed betting turnovers figures who knows what a race holds.

JayJay

That's a lot of little old ladies betting on the NZ Cup..

Markovina

I think the point that Jay Jay is making - is those pools are gallop type pools

135k in the quinella pool - that is out of this world - and have a look at the pools for the other 10-11 races - they were super impressive 

Those figures would probably beat the Perth ( Ascot ) Cup meeting 

We get the point about fixed odds - pretty obvious point - but those pools for that NZ Trots were brilliant - and to be envied

The Kiwis have probably got administrators - like the bloke who use to be the president of the  Pinjarra Club  ( also bred the great Preaux Chavilier ) just so passionate about Harness Racing and promoting it at every opportunity - sadly today the ones in control today aernt like that 

Theme Parks - hah -this GP redevelopment - i think there is a chance it will be the biggest White Elephant  since Elliot built all those grandstands at Princess Park and just about bankrupted the once famous Navy Blues 

The 350 approx members of GP who are voting ( and hold the future of WA Trotting ) - wouldnt things be totally  different - if the Title Deeds of their houses were being put up as security for this project - do you think they would be satisfied just looking at Glossy pictures - and  oh yeah Kevin seems like a nice bloke - so i will give this the nod - ha -ha-ha

bookielover

As John Elliot would say about the proposed GP development, pigs arssssse :@)